Origin of Life

blastoff

Originally posted by Atomic_Omnikid at 20-5-2007 09:55 AM
this topic goin ff:

ok lets get back to the topic then

The origin of human life on earth according to Islam.

According to the Qur抋n, the revelation communicated through the prophet Muhammad, peace be with him, God created the heavens (multiple universes) and the earth with a purpose and allocated the earth as the place for human habitation. Humanity was not the first creation of intelligent life; angels, created from pure light, and jinn, spirits created from the element of fire, preceded man. In fact, the Creator announces His plan to them prior to creating the prototype of man, Adam:

揥hen your Lord said to the angels, 慖 am going to place a representative on earth

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by paparock at 20-5-2007 12:12 PM
It is hard to separate science from God. Thats a fact

yeap...
People once asked siddarta about the creater of everything.

He do not anwer even he has the answer as he feel it is useless to know the ultimate creater if you do not know yourself.
How to conquer the star while you cant conquer your own self?

You will find HIM in your answer in your way.Same in Islam. you will find allah in your path in searching god by referring to quran. you cant find allah just like asking who is god? or can you?   

According to the Buddha, the very origin of life in this world is rooted in ignorance. Since life arose out of ignorance, ignorance is the first problem to be solved in order to find a permanent solution to the problem of suffering in our lives.
According to the early tenets of Buddhism, the root cause of ignorance must be first ascertained and dealt with, and this becomes possible only when we practice mindfulness and observe life closely to realize how we have become what we are in the first place and what we are becoming moment to moment through our thoughts and deeds.
The following 12 steps are called the twelve links in the development of life. They describe the process of how life comes into existence from a sea of ignorance and leads to suffering.
1. In the beginning the existence was blind. There was no knowledge. All of it was a great sea of ignorance.
2. In that great sea of ignorance there were some stirrings that were formative and organizing.
3. From these stirrings arose the awareness of feelings.
4. From the feelings arose organism that developed individuality.
5. These organisms developed the six fields, which are, the five senses and the mind.
6. The six fields developed contacts with things.
7. Contact with things resulted in the origin of sensations.
8. From the sensations arose the thirst of the individual being.
9. The thirst caused attachment to things.
10. Attachment led to creation and formation of selfhood.
11. Continuation of selfhood resulted in renewed births.
12. Renewed birth of the Self led to suffering, old age, suffering, sickness and death of being.
Thus ignorance is at the root of the entire creation and origin of life and of all suffering. It is by removing this ignorance one can start reversing this process of suffering and continuation of the individuality, resulting in the liberation from suffering through attainment of Nirvana or the extinction of self.

Above is what buddha say about life. he explain how life is created but not who.
Some of you might say meditation is waste of time.
But meditation is one way of conquering your mind. and reflect who you are.
Even prophet Mohammad spent much of his time alone in the dessert in meditation.

paparock

So Islam and Buddhism have an opposite view on the very principle of human creation? We muslims believe the first human created by God, Adam, was actually very inteligent and superior even when compared to the angels. Read this carefully,

揥hen your Lord said to the angels, 慖 am going to place a representative on earth

paparock

And ohh... how do you think we human could identify so many things and can come up with so many terms for them so naturally?  

God said, He had taught us (Adam) everything. We just have to refresh our memory...

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wei_loon5063

Originally posted by paparock at 20-5-2007 04:56 PM
So Islam and Buddhism have an opposite view on the very principle of human creation? We muslims believe the first human created by God, Adam, was actually very inteligent and superior even when c ...

Don`t rush don angry.   It do not say anything about adam and eve right?


1. In the beginning the existence was blind. There was no knowledge. All of it was a great sea of ignorance.
Before god created this world, there is nothing. so sea of ignorance.

2. In that great sea of ignorance there were some stirrings that were formative and organizing.
It do not say who is stirring it. So it is definately god.the stirring process could be allah stirring the earth to create adam and eve.

3. From these stirrings arose the awareness of feelings.
Feelings, emotions... that is human. joy, hate, desire, greed, sad, despair etc...

4. From the feelings arose organism that developed individuality.
We then gain consciousness. It is our mind or soul. we are different from each other.you and I.

5. These organisms developed the six fields, which are, the five senses and the mind.
nose, mouth, eye, skin, tongue and mind... the mind make us able to sense the five senses and justify them.

6. The six fields developed contacts with things.
The effect of the six senses. with out mind how can you sense?

7. Contact with things resulted in the origin of sensations.
How the six senses linked to our emotion. e.g. we see therefore we feel happy, we are blind, we see darkness therfore we are scare as we desire to see and we do not want to loose sight.

8. From the sensations arose the thirst of the individual being.
thirst=desire
the desire to love, to possess... from love, you will hate, from possess you will lost.

9. The thirst caused attachment to things.
The things is the things in this world.
car, house, you do not own it. it do not belong to you. you just live with it. the house do not appear when you are born, the house do not disappear when you die.
you become as one with your lover as you desire to be love, you become attatched.

10. Attachment led to creation and formation of selfhood.
selfhood is physical body.
without desire to possess or live, you will not live in this world.
That is why some old people (when azab) will say I am ready to leave this world as I have nothing left to desire.

11. Continuation of selfhood resulted in renewed births.
there will be birth as there is death
birth=death;
no birth=no death.

12. Renewed birth of the Self led to suffering, old age, suffering, sickness and death of being.
Impermanence. we grow old, we get sick, we die.
this is human.
we cannot run from it.


SO, if you look deeper, you will see that it clicks with adam and eve.
it is not different after all.
just that the way of explanation is different and it do not mention who create it..
Like maths.. You need to see beyond numbers. the words are only words. see the picture behind.



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wei_loon5063

Originally posted by paparock at 20-5-2007 05:03 PM
And ohh... how do you think we human could identify so many things and can come up with so many terms for them so naturally?  

God said, He had taught us (Adam) everything. We just have to refresh our memory...

this I know. Biologist even proof that biologically, our DNA are the same 99% with caveman 60,000 years ago.

Why we are better than them? because we are able to document what we have and pass it to our children.

paparock

Okay.. actually I always believe that all the main religions embraced or professed by people all over the world were started by a single source. But more often than not, we tend to focus our energy looking and searching at all the differences that we have...

paparock

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 20-5-2007 05:44 PM



this I know. Biologist even proof that biologically, our DNA are the same 99% with caveman 60,000 years ago.

Why we are better than them? because we are able to document what we have a ...

In the Quran, God says... He teaches us by pen... So, so you are absolutely correct!

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by paparock at 20-5-2007 07:01 PM
Okay.. actually I always believe that all the main religions embraced or professed by people all over the world were started by a single source. But more often than not, we tend to focus our ener ...

You are right......all from one...Even buddhism is the way it is today not because of Buddha ask siddarta... but Siddarta follow the indian culture. the dressing etc......

like christian. if jesus is not crucified, then there will be no cross, if jesus is hanged then we will see rope in church

Atomic_Omnikid

Originally posted by paparock at 20-5-2007 19:04


In the Quran, God says... He teaches us by pen... So, so you are absolutely correct!

the pen here..is that a writing equipment we use now or it has different meaning?

paparock

Just like what wei loon says here,

"Why we are better than them? because we are able to document what we have and pass it to our children."

Document is the key word. You got to have a pen to write a document, right?

Atomic_Omnikid

Originally posted by paparock at 20-5-2007 19:04


In the Quran, God says... He teaches us by pen... So, so you are absolutely correct!

I thought in ancient times..they use quill and ink?

wei_loon5063

Originally posted by Atomic_Omnikid at 20-5-2007 11:43 PM


I thought in ancient times..they use quill and ink?

It does not matter.......

As long as it is documented.

Like evolution. the document evolved from writing on sand with stick to curve on wood with stone to cloth with blood or natural ink to paper with synthetic ink to now electronic version.

All is documented. same concept. the form and method is different.

Also documented in verbal form like stories, phylosophies being told from generation to generation

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paparock

Yup, like I said, document is the keyword..

wei_loon5063

No more news?

I recently watch the elegant universe

they are trying to crack the code of existance.

Atomic_Omnikid

Originally posted by paparock at 19-5-2007 01:05
Teori evolusi adalah berpatutan dan boleh diterima sebab banyak bukti mengenainya. Tapi ia hanya terpakai untuk makhluk yang bukan manusia aje. Manusia terkecuali sebab Tuhan sendiri kata Dia cre ...

saya nak tanya sket sebab pengetahuan saya yg limited saya terhadap Islam..

adakah quran cakap allah cipta manusia dalam btk  homo sapiens (cam  kita nie) atau manusia homo erectus ker..homo lelain ker..?

cam mana Adam dan Hawa meneruskan generasinyer?sebab ader dua manusia sajer pada masa itu...

St.Yeepi

How Adam know the god is the god?

aku_EnSeM

Originally posted by Atomic_Omnikid at 13-6-2007 02:25 PM


saya nak tanya sket sebab pengetahuan saya yg limited saya terhadap Islam..

adakah quran cakap allah cipta manusia dalam btk  homo sapiens (cam  kita nie) atau manusia homo erectus ker..ho ...

pada masa itu adik beradik dibenarkan berkahwin. Adam dan Hawa dikurniakan kembar. Ini menambah waris keturunan. adakah itu jawapan yang dikehendaki?

aku_EnSeM

Hmm... Qoran says Allah is the light of light. An expert interprets this as "Allah is the source of energy".

Allah forbids Muslims to think about His physical appearance beause human will never understand that.

what is cause and what is effect?
they have lotsa meanings. Some think that cause is the thing that makes anothir thing to happen without any logical process. For example, if you say that "Objects fall doen to the ground because of gravity". They say that this statement is wrong and the correct one is "Objects fall down AS A CONSEQUENCE of the gravity". Also, "he died because of heart failure" is wrong. "he died as a consequence of heart failure". and the conclusion is every thing happens without any cause.
then, this can be extended to the Big Bang. with current theories, we would directly say that Big Bang indeed appear with a cause, right? However, Prof Hawking calculated that the probabillity of our universe to pop out out of nothing without any cause is 95%. Okay, that is bizarre and another expert uses this result as follow: "eople cannot use Big Bang to prove the existence of God because Big Bang apeears without any cause".

All of the above are quoted, not my words. They are quoted from the net, sorry for not acknowledging the author. Below is my opinion;

For Muslims, perhaps this is hard to accept. Perhaps, if Prof Hawking could live for another 50 years, he might be able to deduce that the probability of human to pop out was 100%. But, we have to intrepet this carefully. I do not blame any one, and I could agree with Prof Hawking with his quantum universes. Perhaps, earlier than that, the God has constructed something that 'causes' the Big Bang to became a 'consequence' of something. Can this be accepted? He might has devised something in the other realm, or whatever it is, that the chemistry of God have undergone some mechanism in virtual God's space system and the product of that was a big explosion of Big Bang which has created our own system. Okay, that might be ridiculous.

This has led me to this question: why does our mathematics behaves the way it is? Is 1+1=2 valid beyond our universe? Does 1+1=3 exist somewhere? Muslims would say yes, because "Be, and it is".

wei_loon5063

I went to Lanzarote recently.... I went to the volcanic national park...

the Lanzarote Island appeared from the sea about 30 million years ago from volcano eruption.

till today......... Life is still evolving there....

known as Lichens..... out of no where... life appeared.....

Lichens are unusual creatures. A lichen is not a single organism the way most other living things are, but rather it is a combination of two organisms which live together intimately. Most of the lichen is composed of fungal filaments, but living among the filaments are algal cells, usually from a green alga or a cyanobacterium. In many cases the fungus and the alga which together make the lichen may each be found living in nature without its partner, but many other lichens include a fungus which cannot survive on its own -- it has become dependent on its algal partner for survival. In all cases though, the appearance of the fungus in the lichen is quite different from its morphology as a separately growing individual.

the question is....... life appeared from what? how? and how can life be appeared just like that... by chances....