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KEGAGALAN POLIGAMI....SIAPAKAH YANG PATUT DIPERSALAHKAN??
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Balas #35 manakautau\ catat
nope... i kinda disagree..
a good leader can change a bad follower into a good follower
a bad leader can change a good follower into a bad follower...
example has been given by Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. himself.
he turned the paganistic and barbaric community into the most respected bunch of people with his good nature and insight. |
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Originally posted by sal9281 at 5-11-2008 04:20 PM 
sebab korang dah bukak topik ni nak tanya sket bole;
Sekiranya suami berpoligami tanpa kebenaran mahkamah, isteri boleh membuat aduan mengenai perkara tersebut di Bahagian Pengaduan dan Penguatkuasaan Syariah Jabatan Agama Islam. Jika disabitkan kesalahan suami boleh dihukum tidak lebih RM 1,000 atau penjara tidak lebih dari enam bulan.
Aiseh rugi jer kene bayar RM1K sbb ko ngadu. Duit tu boleh buat belanja anak bini makan pizza 20 kali. Mesti laki ko marah kat ko.
Selain dikenakan denda kepada suami, apakah lagi tindakan yang akan dilakukan Mahkamah sekiranya mendapati si suami tadi sebenarnya tidak berkemampuan untuk berpoligami. Adakah Mahkamah akan membatalkan perkahwinan suami dengan isteri kedua
tidak. dah terlambat nk halang.
dan sekiranya isteri pertama menuntut cerai ‘fasakh’ adakah Mahkamah akan membenarkan?
tidak semestinya. mahkamah akan meneliti alasan yg dikemukakan. kalo setakat cemburu laki kawin lain, tak dapek la nolong.
1) Apakah yang dimaksudkan dengan suami berkemampuan suami berkemampuan kewangan untuk menanggung jumlah tanggungan sedia ada dan yang bakal ditanggung? Adakah ini termasuk pembayaran sewa rumah, duit kereta, susu anak, duit belanja dapur, api air dan nafkah isteri dan perbelanjaan2 lain semuanya ditanggung suami walaupun isteri pertama bekerja?
suami wajib menanggung makan minum, pakaian yg menutup aurat, dan kediaman yg selamat serta selesa. kalo die cuma mampu bagi makan nasi dgn telur kicap, baju bundle dan rumah setinggan, maka dah tertunai tanggungjawab sbb itu jer yg mampu.
isteri berhak tidak menggunakan pendapatannya untuk keperluan rumahtangga. tapi harus diingat, suami berhak melarang isteri keluar bekerja. jadi di sini, timbul keperluan untuk kompromi. kalo isteri terlalu berkira tahap melampau, lebih baik suami suruh die dok rumah jer, dan isteri wajib taat. suami pula jangan naik lemak dok pow bini smpai lupa tanggungjawab yg hakiki.
2) Adakah Mahkamah menetapkan jumlah perbelanjaan yang wajib ditanggung suami?
tidak. mahkamah cuma akan menetapkan nafkah eddah dan nafkah anak jika berlaku perceraian. kalo masih berkahwin, pepandai la korang bincang.
3) Adakah syarat berpoligami mewajibkan suami menyediakan rumah untuk isteri pertama tinggal yakni membeli rumah dan bukannya menyewa?
suami wajib menyediakan tempat tinggal yg selamat dan selesa sekadar kemampuan. beli atau sewa takde hal. bini badwi laki die bagi dok dlm khemah jer.
4) Selain dari berkemampuan dari segi kewangan, adakah Mahkamah juga mengambil kira masa yang diperuntukkan untuk bersama isteri2? Maksud disini sekiranya dalam satu minggu suami bekerja 12 jam setiap hari (shift pagi mlm) dan 2 hari cuti tetapi OT, adakah adil bagi isteri2 nya yang bekerja tidak dapat menghabiskan masa bersama suami sekiranya suami bekerja shift malam dan hanya ada pada waktu siang sedangkan isteri bekerja di siang hari.
tidak. mahkamah tk tetapkan. kotidak nnti jenuh mahkamah nk tentukan sume bende. masuk bape inci pun mahkamah nk kene tentukan. letih wooo ..
kalo bertembung dengan shift kire nasib la. bini muda pun kene hadapi camtu jugak. tapi kalo tak salah aku syarat memenuhi giliran ialah kene bermalam. jadi kalo malam kene keje, agaknye takde giliran sape2 la kot ... wallahualam.
5) Adakah suami juga perlu adil dalam memberikan sebarang hadiah kepada isteri2 cth rumah, barangan perhiasan dan sebagainya dengan harga yang sama?
berlaku adil lebih menjurus kepada maksud memenuhi keperluan secara saksama... dan saksama tak semestinye bermaksud perlu serupa daripada segi saiz dan harga ..
contohnye kalo beli baju XL kat bini 1 takkan nk beli XL juga utk bini 2 yg solid molid. kalo bini 1 suke kaler merah berlabuci takkan nk bagi camtu jugak kat bini 2 walopun die tk suka. kalo bini 2 yg anak 1 dpt kete sport .. takkan bini 1 yg badan cam tong dan anak 5 nk mintak kete sport naik ramai2 .. kalo rumah bini 1 ade 5 bilik sbb anak ramai takkan ler bini 2 anak 1 nk rumah 5 bilik jugak.
so .. suami kene pandai berlaku adil dan saksama .. dan saksama tk semestinye serupa dan sama harga .. kene berdasarkan variable yg lain jugak la .. yg penting hati suami kene ikhlas dan bersih dan tidak berniat menganiaya atau melebihkan mana2 isteri .. faham tk? |
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Originally posted by gunblade712 at 6-11-2008 10:46 AM 
nope... i kinda disagree..
a good leader can change a bad follower into a good follower
a bad leader can change a good follower into a bad follower...
example has been given by Prophet ...
wow..you're so smart:kiss: |
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Reply #42 kudajantan77's post
aku pernah tengok kat kuantan... 3 biji umah banglo setingkat, semua sejibik drpd pagar sampi ke design umah smpi kepokok bunga semua.... sebelah menyebelah semua... , kalau tak salah aku la, rasanya mcm keta pun sama gak (kalau tak silap mata aku la)...aku pun tya la org yg bawak aku pg makan tu... apsal umah tu mcm tu... hehehe kawin 3.... so nak berlaku adil la gitu..... fuhhhhh mmg kalau gaduh jugak, aku pun tak tau nak kata apa la.... |
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Balas #47 manakautau\ catat
can you give me one example of such situation?  |
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Balas #51 manakautau\ catat
it's called a 'counter-question'
you didn't gave me an example and/or proof of your claims to such statement, whereas I have given mine.
So i believed it is a fair trade that you would give me the best and well-known example on your statement which is :
A good follower can/will change a bad leader into a good leader. |
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Originally posted by gunblade712 at 6-11-2008 12:04 PM 
it's called a 'counter-question'
you didn't gave me an example and/or proof of your claims to such statement, whereas I have given mine.
So i believed it is a fair trade that you would give ...
The rule of the thumb of any discusiion per say would have been...bila soalan diajukan...jawab dulu baru dikemukan soalan yang baru.....hang takder belajar bab etiquette nih ker gun?
[ Last edited by manakautau at 6-11-2008 12:12 PM ] |
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Balas #53 manakautau\ catat
macam mana pulak dengan etiquette iaitu jangan jawab separuh tapi jawab dengan full answer with reference and example?
yang ini kau tak tahu?
sbb kau jawab separuh dan tiada reference and/or example lah, kau membuka diri kau kepada counter question.
jadi, kau kata a good follower can change a bad leader into a good leader.
that's it? no example? no proof? no reference?
and you want people to swallow and thumb-suck whatever you say?
you should learn a few etiquette before you dabbled yourself into a serious discussion and/or debate, my friend..
ada proof ke daripada sejarah atau current situation yang menunjukkan bahawa a good followers can change a bad leader into a good leader..?  |
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ehemmmmm..!!
kalau takboleh terima pendapat org lain..payah le beb..
dah2...jgn nak gaduh2 ye..
harap maklum. |
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Balas #55 manakautau\ catat
see?
this is what happen when you didn't answer fully. you would bring the discussion into a further turmoil.
and you failed to show respect to your fellow forumers. you gave a general statement, and then when you can't further your discussion in that general issue, you runs back into the context.
why didn't you gave a more specific statement? trying to sound biblical here?
if you wanna take everything into account, then nothing is impossible. Humans are unpredictable. Some can change their husbands into a better one, while the majority won't be able to due to their restricted nature in marriage.
so, regardless of whether you wanna take the context of the discussion or not, which one is a better situation?
1. a good leader with a bad follower.
2. a bad leader with a good follower.
both are bad situation, but which one is better between those two, both in a marriage institution and in other system?
u want me to open a vote for this?
i was wondering, though, why does the verse in Surah An-Nisa', which talks about polygamy, only addresses MEN and not both MEN and WOMEN...?
[ Last edited by gunblade712 at 6-11-2008 12:41 PM ] |
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Balas #58 manakautau\ catat
putu is just doing his/her job...
but he/she is still human beings, he/she is NOT omniscience...
if you've stumbled upon some harsh wordings/postings which you think it's not suitable for us, it would be best if you help the mods out by reporting it, ya?
I'm sure the mods are not biased here, aye?  |
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Reply #58 manakautau's post
kau tu yg tak reti2 bahasa manak oii..!
letih ah nak cakap lebih2..
salah org ko nampak..salah sendiri tak ngaku...adeeii...
lantak lah..!!
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