salam guys...ade sape2 tringin ke china?tibet?nepal?india selama 15 hari?sy sedang mencari teman seperjuangan utk turut bersame dlm menjayekan trip ini...buat masa sekarang sudah dpt sorg gadis yg berminat utk trut serta...perlukan lg 2 orang teman...
kos utk backpacker ke sane tdaklah trlalu tinggi...cover kos utk flight+penginapan+transport+mkn minom....less than rm5k....
sekiranye siape2 yg berminat bleh bincang dgn lebih lanjut ttg trip...tujuan sy hanya utk mencari teman perjalanan yg berkongsi same jadua,minat kerane risawkan soal keselamatan sekiranya pergi bersendirian....
musafir ni yg planning trip iran-turkey hari tu ke? amacam? dah settle smua?
Pasal trip chengdu-xining-lhasa-kathmandu ni sempat ke nak habiskan dlm 15 hari tu? bukan apa...satu perjalanan dia jauh, second once dah sampai Lhasa body kena sesuaikan diri dengan altitude sickness dulu dgn stay 2-3 hari kot, baru boleh gerak ke higher altitude....kalau tak merana....so based on that aku agaok perjalanan kat tibet (dari lhasa ke Katmandu) kena buat pelan2 pasal ketinggian boleh sampai lebih dari 5000m atas paras laut (yeah! higher than puncak Kinabalu).
Then pasal backpacking ni pulak, aku ada baca baru2 ni yg sejak 2008 gov china dah tak bagi backpacking2 dah kat Tibet. Takat Lhasa rasanya boleh lagi....tapi beyond Lhasa to Shigatse to EBC to Nepal border tu kena request permit dan wajib pakai domestic travel agent. Tak tau pasal apa China gov ubah policy tapi mmg ada kaitan dgn political unrest between Tibetian dgn kerajaan China tu lah. Permit, aku dengar sangat mahal...then TA pulak akan charge per individu dlm ratusan USD jugak la.....so basically hal permit dgn TA saja dah makan modal banyak.
Tapi mungkinlah u dah study banyak pasal ni, so mohon pembetulan kalau apa2 yg aku baca tu tak betul. Baru2 ni aku banyak la jugak baca pasal Tibet sbb berangan nak g sana, tapi my angan2 plan tu tak keluar ikut Nepal (kena sewa 4WD ni kan? ), instead terus ke Mt Kailash kat westernmost tibetian plateu tu, then keluar Tibet ke Kashgar kat Xinxiang, then sambung Karakoram highway keluar ke Hunza Valley di utara Pakistan.....mungkin masa lebih panjang diperlukan (sebulan lebih maybe) dan agaknya, kena target masa 'cuti-sebelum-cari-kerja-baru' la kot baru ada peluang..... tengok la cemana.....
musafir ni yg planning trip iran-turkey hari tu ke? amacam? dah settle smua?
Pasal trip chengdu-x ...
cmf_GAIA Post at 7-1-2012 01:44
HII cik GAIA trip utk iran-turkey mmg i dh rancang..ade jgak beberape org pengembara yg berminat nk join...tp waktu n masa dieowg xsewaktu dgn sy....oleh yg demikian sy simpan jelah angan2 nie...melainkan dpt travel partner baru lah sy akn proceed this trip....
utk trip overland ke chengdu-tibet tembus ke nepal dan seterusnya mara ke india ...adalah trip yg mencabar,dan kami belom memutuskan lg ingin mengambil route yg lebih practical n sesuai dgn tempoh masa yg agak singkat iaitu 15 hari.. sy sudah pon sedia maklum dan tahu mengenai altitude sickness n ketinggian di tibet...terima kasih bnyk2 ek dgn info cik gaia...udara yg berkurangan amat berbahaya...akan mengakibatkan udara @oksigen tidak dpt dihantar sampi ke otak....hmmm mengikut kata2 dr cik gaia,mmg mempunyai pengetahuan yg luas mengenai kedudukan diantara china,tibet,pakistan...hanya ade 2 access sahaja utk menembus himalaya...1 dr tibet n 1 lg dr tashkurgan khunjerab pass....
sy harap forum ini dpt membentuk group n membincangkan lebih mendalam mengenai masalah2 yg kite akan hadapi ketika berada di himalaya....mohon agar teman2 dpt mencadangkan route yg lebih mudah,flexible....bersesuaian dgn masa selama15 hari...
HII cik GAIA trip utk iran-turkey mmg i dh rancang..ade jgak beberape org pengembara yg be ...
musaffir Post at 7-1-2012 02:26 AM
share2 dgn info bacaan boleh lah, yg betul2 dah experience ke sana tak tahu sapa , forum cari lebih ramai pelancong dari pengembara .....
Btw kalau nak tembus himalaya mmg terus ke Kathmandu tu...rasanya 3-4 hari jugak kot....kalau ikut Tashkurgan n Khunjerab Pass tu dah kira terlepas himalaya dah tu pasal dah masuk area banjaran Karakoram-Pamir mountains pulak.....apa2 pun yg penting kena sampai north EBC tengok puncak Everest, kalau tengok gambar2 kat tenet memang wallawei cantiknya view Everest dari belah Tibet ni.....sapa2 yg crossing border ke Nepal mmg akan lalu sini kan? Kena tido kat guesthouse biara RongPhu monastery tu.
share2 dgn info bacaan boleh lah, yg betul2 dah experience ke sana tak tahu sapa , fo ...
cmf_GAIA Post at 7-1-2012 02:36
betul kew skrg gov china gubal akta backpackers 2008?hehe mane 2 penegembara didapati backpacker kt tibet tanpa permit kene tindakan yew?adush....15 hari sy igt cukup lah masa nk menembusi himalaya ke nepal...mmg cantik himalaya drpd sudut tibet...gaia ade info x pasai permit n travel agency?kalu pergi dgn group berlima bleh save kos kn?kalu mahai sgt mmg kene ubah arah lah...
route chengdu-lanzhou-gansu-urumqi-kashgar pon ok gak kn?cukup x masa kalu nk cross karakoram highwa ...
musaffir Post at 7-1-2012 02:36 AM
hmmm....kalau naik AA memang kena start dgn Chengdu la kan? tak tau apa ada kat lanzhou tapi sebelah barat dia tu Xining, rasanya ada train dari Chengdu ke Xining (mungkin lalu Lanzhou gak kot) and dekat Xining ada tasik garam besar Qinghai tu...lawa tasik ni.....kalau cukup masa wajib singgah.
so u nak tukar plan dari 'merentas tibet' kepada 'merentas laluan sutera'? (boleh elak permit, TA dan altitude sickness) Xining-Urumqi-Kashgar smua termasuk silk road dah tu....tak ingat baca kat mana hari tu, ada statement cakap the best way to experienced silk road travel ialah di bahagian China. Tak sure sempat ke tak buat dlm masa 15 hari tapi pastinya kalau ikut silk road boleh elak altitude sickness, so boleh travel laju sikit.....except kat Karakoram highway tu sampai 5000m gak tu. Ko check apa option kenderaan yg ada then kena kira masa travel dari satu spot ke another....Urumqi mcm boleh skip (tak sure) n hari Ahad kena ada di Kashgar utk livestock market yg terkenal tu......selepas Kashgar kalau boleh jgn miss overnight kat Karakul Lake dlm yurt (khemah ala org Mongolia/central asian nomadic tu), then baru sambung ke Khunjerab Pass dan Hunza Valley. So, balik Malaysia from Islamabad?
betul kew skrg gov china gubal akta backpackers 2008?hehe mane 2 penegembara didapati back ...
musaffir Post at 7-1-2012 02:47 AM
takat baca dari tripadvisor mcm tu lah ceritanya......ada gak tips2 tanpa permit, tapi aku lupa jugak kat mana aku baca ni, kena elak jalan besar la...pasal kat jalan memang akan ada pos2 polis yg akan check penumpang keluar masuk. Selepas Lhasa, rasanya pos polis pertama kat Shigatse...kalau takda permit boleh buat2 bodoh kata tak tahu, then terserah pada polis tu nak lepas kita ke tak...
laluan sutera nie more to santai...padang ragut n gurun terbentang luas....kene bermalam kt urumqi @tidor kt tepi jalan hehe...sebab kene dptkan bas NATCO(northern area transport co)dr urumqi ke kashgar....stop kt kashgar bemalam n touring sehari,g livestock market..beli kambing gurun n wt BBQ kt tasik yg dekat dgn kashgar tu....i tringin nk trun smpi lahore laa...bleh singgah mkn capati kt jaipur@chandigarh...
weh...aku baca kat SPINN CAFE memang lagi gila lah....sampai dua permit nak g tibet ni,
1.Tibet Travel Permit (TTP)-utk masuk Tibet
2.Alien Travel Permit (ATP)-utk ronda2 Tibet beyond Lhasa
then lagi2 gila:-
How to enter Tibet?
You will need a Chinese visa first, then the new restriction is that all foreigners must get the Tibet Travel Permit (TTP), hire a tour guide and rent a land cruiser (if going out of Lhasa). The rule is strictly enforced now. Foreign tourists can choose two ways of transportation to go to Tibet, 1. Flying into Tibet. 2. Taking a train to Tibet. Theoretically you can rent a car from mainland China to Tibet, but there's a big transit area called Chamdo, where permit may not be issued, so overland from mainland China to Tibet is not possible at the moment. Foreigners are not allowed to take public buses outside Lhasa City.
What will the tour guide do? Is it like a North-Korean-styled trip in Tibet?
Hiring a tour guide is one of the requirements for getting the permits through a tour agency, you cannot get a permit if you don't hire a guide.
Some internet reviews claim that it's possible to go without tour guides, it's wrong! One review said that, "if your travel agent tells you (that you need a tour guide for everyday), get another travel agent." This is completely wrong. You will actually need tour guide for every single day in Tibet, no matter what you do! It's clearly written on the permit and PSB registration. If your tour agent tells you otherwise, they are breaking the rule to save your cost. But it should not be allowed or recommended.
You will have to hire a tour guide on every single day while you are in Tibet.
However, you are actually still free to wander around Lhasa by yourself without your tour guide, you can ask your guide to stay at the hotel and wait for you. But a tour guide is compulsory if you want to enter the Potala Palace, Sera Monastery and Drepung Monastery. The tour agency will be fined if you were found without a tour guide inside these premises.
Several Taiwanese tourists wanted to enter Drepung Monastery without a tour guide and the tour agency which helped them to get the TTP permits were asked to pay a penalty of RMB 1000 (late April 2009). Please act responsibly.
You are okay to go to most other places in Lhasa without a tour guide, oh wait, does it mean that you have paid him for nothing? Yes, but that's the rule, ha, he'll actually give you back lots of freedom. Haha!
If you travel out of Lhasa, a tour guide is necessary to accompany you in the vehicle. Road checks will ask for the presence of your tour guide.
If I stay in Tibet for 10 days, should I hire the tour guide for every single day in Tibet?
Yes, unfortunately, however unfair it may seem, yes, you will need to hire a tour guide for every single day!
oh wow! nampaknya travel thru Tibet boleh jadi sangat2 mahal! kalau ramai boleh share2 bayar guide
Or boleh terus maju dari Lahore menyusur Grand Trunk Road yg bersejarah terus sampai Delhi, then boleh ambik AA dari sana (amboi kuatnya aku berangan, tah masa cukup ke tak )...lepas Lahore boleh singgah Wagah, gate sempadan Pakistan-India border yg ada closing caremony yg pelik tu tetiap petang..... --->
If you do a short Kailash itinerary (like lots of the less reputable agencies like to sell you) its likely you will struggle with altitude and find it rather hard. So......my recommendation is to allow plenty of days for acclimitisation (2/3 days in Lhasa and enjoy time in Gyantse etc etc on the way out) - visit Manasarovar (and stay the night there) before you head up to Darchen and start the Kora trek.
so...am right pasal kena buat pelan2 traveling thru Tibet tu, bagi masa utk body sesuaikan diri sehari dua setiapkali sampai satu2 tempat, (utk first day tiba kat Lhasa wajib stay 2-3 hari)....kalau nak rush2 memang azab siksa la badan.....
yg ni pulak description gambar dari travelblog kat sini :-
One the first day of a 6 day trip in the Hiace van from Lhasa to the Nepalese border
via Everest Base Camp.
6 hari tu perjalanan (termasuk overnight kat memana lah kot) + 3 hari utk sesuaikan diri di Lhasa = 9 hari. Masuk tempoh perjalanan train trip dari Chengdu-Xining-Lhasa, agak2 berapa lama tu? mungkin 11 or 12 hari kot? Then tinggal lagi 3 hari utk dimuatkan dgn schedule lain....
hiiii cik gaia u did an amazing things....thanks for the valuable info.
utk pelan A lhasa -kathmandu...i bru tgok kt website www.himalayanglacier.com trip overland dr lhasa to kathmandu selama 8days mmg menakjubkan...kos utk sume selama 8hari touring about USD 1450....kalu bahagikan kepada 7 org traveller is about rm600 lebey per-person....
himalayan glacier tu the most reliable TA kt tibet,nepal,bhutan...this TA akan arrange 4 everything...hotel,tibet travel permit,special entry permit...tp xtermsuk utk hotel kt kathmandu tips/gaji drebar n guide.....if everting ok i love to pick this route...
so far i dh ade 4org yg berminat....i nk ner kasi khatam buku lp dulu lah....hehehe....
Post time 27-12-2008 01:16 AM
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