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mayb dun hv a budget for equip a new MPA...& mayb TUDM use exisiting one of CN-235-200M modify it as MPA.. |
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Reply #61 gancity's post
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Perhaps as an interim measure to bolster the number of MPAs. |
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bagi aku pesawat CN-235 sudah cukup untuk RMN/RMAF. cuma masalahnya bilangan pesawat sahaja.
kita memerlukan sekurang-kurangnya 4 buah pesawat untuk memastikan pengawasan dapat dilakukan dengan sempurna.
2 buah untuk Semenanjung dan 2 buah lagi untuk Sabah dan Sarawak. |
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Reply #63 ZISAM's post
i thk 4 for Peninsular malayasia while another 4++ for sabah and sarawak
[ Last edited by gancity at 13-3-2007 09:30 AM ] |
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Reply #49 tin's post
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Really..Maybe aku xupdated.but for commonality 235 looks good |
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Originally posted by razhar at 12-3-2007 07:46 PM
endurance is not too important,the craft can be refuelled in the mid air..the avionic n sensors r most important..
 ? Endurance la paling penting..and that means deciding the most fuel-efficient plane possible. sensor boleh customise |
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Reply #52 razhar's post
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they do fabricate a new version of NIMROD..............they called it as NIMROD MR4 RMPA....... |
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In that article it is mentioned that one CN-235 from 1 Sqn is currently being modified as a MPA.
Perhaps as a test platform before RMAF makes any binding decisions?
Seriously, having CN-235 as an MPA would significantly boosted its fleet operated by RMAF & significantly reduced non-commonality logistics & maintenance nightmare that so often plagued RMAF before this. |
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Reply #63 ZISAM's post
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4 biji aje??? aku rasa paling kurang, 8 biji.... |
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Reply #51 razhar's post
endurance la paling penting bang.....nama pun Patrol Aircraft, therefore need to loiter around for a long time...
selain tu, untuk hunt submarine u need great endurance, u will certainly loss 2 hour of endurance for pergi dan balik......
MPA will not refuel mid air coz xde protection from escort.....to enhance endurance they will carry external tanks...... |
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Reply #69 alphawolf's post
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memang ler seelok-eloknya 8 biji. tapi memandangkan budget ciput dapat 4 biji pun dah cukup baik. |
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Apa akan jadi kepada Beehcraft B-2000 tu? |
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Originally posted by RainbowSix at 13-3-2007 05:54 PM
Apa akan jadi kepada Beehcraft B-2000 tu?
Mungkin, jadi instrument calibration platform. |
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the latest info about RMAF is to buy personel carrier(unfortunately not MPA)
http://english.people.com.cn/200703/13/eng20070313_357063.html
Indonesia's Dirgantara bids in Malaysian Air Force tender
Aerospace industry PT Dirgantara Indonesia is competing in the tender for personnel carriers to be held by the Malaysian Air force, local press said Tuesday.
The fierce contenders for four personnel aircraft include British Aerospace and Spain's CASA.
Dirgantara relays on the 20 million U.S. dollars propeller plane CN-235, eight of which have been in service for both civilian and military uses in the neighbor, reported leading economic daily Bisnis Indonesia.
"Hopefully we come out as winner in the tender," Dirgantara marketing director Irzal Rinaldi was quoted as saying.
The company also is awaiting official decision from the Thai government over the purchase of 10 CN-235s after negotiations plunged into uncertainties following last year's toppling of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, the daily said.
Source: Xinhua |
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here are the spec of the cn-235 mpa by PT DI,
AirTech CN-235MP/MPA - Maritime Patrol Aircraft, Spain / Indonesia
The AirTech CN-235 maritime patrol aircraft has been developed in two versions with different avionics systems: the CN-235MP Persuader developed in Spain by CASA EADS and the CN-235MPA developed in Indonesia by Dirgantara (formerly IPTN). The maritime patrol variant is in service with: Spain, Ireland and Turkey (manufactured by EADS CASA) and Indonesia, Brunei and UAE (manufactured by Dirgantara).
"The AirTech CN-235 maritime patrol aircraft has been developed in two versions: the CN-235MP Persuader and the
CN-235MPA."AirTech, or Aircraft Technology Industries, was formed by CASA (now EADS CASA of Spain) and IPTN (now Dirgantara) of Indonesia to develop the CN-235 aircraft which has been built in many versions for civil and military missions. First flight of the CN-235 was in 1983 and the aircraft entered service in 1988. Over 230 of all versions of CN-235 are in service and have accumulated more than 500,000 flight hours.
In July 2002, the Lockheed Martin / Northrop Grumman team was awarded the contract for the US Coastguard's Deepwater program, which includes 35 new fixed-wing maritime patrol aircraft. The USCG selected the EADS CASA CN-235-300M for this requirement.
In February 2004, prime contractor Lockheed Martin received a contract to deliver an initial two CN-235-300 maritime patrol aircraft from 2006. A further six aircraft are on option. The first aircraft, designated HC-235A, was delivered to Lockheed Martin, for integration of the mission systems, in December 2006. Operational evaluation will begin in 2007. All 36 aircraft are to be in service by 2017.
The aircraft have a Rockwell Collins avionics suite, including four 6in x 8in active-matrix liquid-crystal multi-function displays and communications, navigation and surveillance systems to meet air traffic management requirements.
In December 2002, the Columbian Navy ordered two CN-235 for patrol and anti-drug trafficking missions. In April 2005, Venezuela ordered two CN-235 maritime surveillance aircraft.
DESIGN
The aircraft is of conventional semi-monocoque design and mainly aluminium alloy construction. Composite materials, Kevlar and glass fibre have been used extensively in the construction of the wing and tail leading and trailing edges, engine nacelles and the nose radome.
MISSION SYSTEMS
The two manufacturers, CASA EADS in Spain and Dirgantra in Indonesia, supply the aircraft with different mission systems. The Spanish developed CN-235 MP Persuader is fitted with the Northrop Grumman APS-504 (V) 5 radar. The Indonesian developed CN-235 MPA is equipped with the Seaspray 4000 from BAE SYSTEMS, the AN/APS-134 from Raytheon or the Ocean Master 100 from Thales.
CN-235 MP PERSUADER
The Spanish-built Persuader has been in service with the Irish Air Corps since 1991. Spain has ordered four Persuaders. In 1998 Turkey ordered six for the Turkish Navy and three for the Turkish Coast Guard, the first of which was delivered in November 2001.
"The CN-235 aircraft are of conventional semi-monocoque design and mainly aluminium alloy construction."The aircraft will be based at Cengiz Topei, the Turkish Naval Air Base. The Coast Guard is under the operational control of the Turkish Ministry of the Interior, but in times of crisis or war, the Coast Guard is under the command of the Chief of the Turkish Navy.
Turkey negotiated an agreement for the assembly of the aircraft for Turkey and for export by Turkish Aerospace Industries Inc (TAI) at Ankara. TAI had previously manufactured 50 transporter versions of the CN-235 between 1991 and 1998.
The aircraft is equipped with a FLIR Systems FLIR-2000HP forward looking infrared night vision system. The FLIR pod is mounted under the nose of the aircraft. Northrop Grumman (Litton) supplied the AN/ALR-86(V) electronic support measures and the APS-504(V)5 radar.
Nine Turkish Navy and Coastguard CN-235 aircraft are to be fitted with the Thales AMASCOS system, which also equips Indonesian Air Force aircraft. Work is to be completed in 2006.
CN-235 MPA
The Indonesian Ministry of Defence and Security ordered 24 CN-235 aircraft, including six for the Indonesian Navy maritime reconnaissance squadron and three for the Indonesian Air Force.
THALES and IPTN signed a Memorandum Of Agreement in May 2000 for the supply of three CN235 aircraft manufactured by IPTN and equipped with AMASCOS from Thales Airborne Systems, to the Indonesian Air Force. The AMASCOS Airborne Maritime Situation Control System includes the Ocean Master search radar produced by Thales and EADS Deutschland, the Elettronica ALR 733 radar warning receiver, the Chlio thermal imager developed by Thales Optronique, the Gemini navigation computer from Thales (formerly Sextant) Avionics and the AN/ASQ-508 Magnetic Anomaly Detection (MAD) system from CAE.
There are three hardpoints under each wing that can carry Harpoon anti-ship missiles. The Indonesian maritime patrol version can be fitted with two Mark 46 torpedoes or Exocet M-39 air-launch anti-ship missiles.
CN-235 MPA FOR BRUNEI
Brunei has ordered three Indonesian developed versions of the aircraft. Boeing is contracted as the Argo Systems Integrator. The aircraft are equipped with an FLIR Systems AN/AAQ-21 Safire FLIR, a BAE SYSTEMS Sky Guardian electronic support measures electronic warfare system and a AN/APS-134 radar. The information friend or foe system fitted on the aircraft is the Cossor 3500 IFF.
CN-235 MPA FOR UAE
The United Arab Emirates placed an order for four Indonesian developed CN-235 MPA aircraft in 1998. The aircraft is equipped with the Thales AMASCOS 300 with Ocean Master 100 radar for surveillance, maritime patrol, anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare.
"Over 230 of all versions of the CN-235 are in service."NAVIGATION
The aircraft is equipped with a Trimble TNL7900 Omega global positioning system and a Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) LN92 ring laser gyroscope inertial navigation system.
ENGINES
Two General Electric CT&-9C3 turboprop engines each developing 1,305kW, are wing-mounted in composite nacelles. The engines produce 1,394kW with automatic power reserve. The engines drive Hamilton Sundstrand 14RF-21 four-bladed, constant speed, full feathering, reverse pitch propellers, diameter 3.35m. The propellers are of glass fibre construction with a metal spar and urethane foam core.
Length 21.4m
Height 8.18m
Wingspan 25.81m
Tail Plane Span 11m
Performance
Maximum Cruise Speed 455km/h
Maximum Take-Off Weight 15,400kg
Fuel Capacity 5,264l
Take-Off Distance to 50ft, (Sea Level, ISA, MTOW) 754m
Landing Distance From 50ft (Sea Level, ISA, MTOW) 603m
Endurance Over 8 hours
Cabin Dimensions
Length 9.65m
Width 2.7m
Height 1.88m
Floor Area 22.8m |
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Reply #73 awangmamat's post
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Jadi secara keseluruhan, kita ni lebih cenderung kepada kapal terbang turbo-prop la. Tapi saya rasa CN-235 tu kecil la... |
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I think that we should not consider the Nimrod. Although it has fantastic endurance it is also an extremely old design with many technical problems:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7125332.stm
I also do not think that we should go for for the Embraer MPA version. A maritime aircraft has to have a lot of endurance and turbo-props offer better fuel economy than jet engines. So my candidate is:
1) EADS Casa C-295
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASA_C-295
EADS is a European consortium so there is no possibility of an Indonesian embargo. It is a larger version of our CN-235 so it should be familiar to the RMAF technicians. The price also is quite cheap so Malaysia can buy many. It also has very good endurance (5630km range). It can also be equipped with the Thales Searchwater 2000MR which also equips the Nimrod (http://www.aviation-news.co.uk/aNewNimrod.html). The RMAF also has a good relationship with Thales which is responsible for the avionics on our SU-30MKM. Best of all because its European, no US restrictions. |
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Post time 13-3-2007 09:03 AM
Author
. The爊ewest MPA version of CN-235 has Thales sensor equipment on the cockpit area.
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