KEGAGALAN POLIGAMI....SIAPAKAH YANG PATUT DIPERSALAHKAN??

gunblade712

relax, putu..

just like you, manak is ALSO human beings who is prone to make mistakes...

no one is perfect, remember? not everyone on Earth are good people, that is why Allah created the Jahannam..

manakautau

Originally posted by gunblade712 at 6-11-2008 12:39 PM
was wondering, though, why does the verse in Surah An-Nisa', which talks about polygamy, only addresses MEN and not both MEN and WOMEN...?

Bab tentang keadilan itu ker? If that is so....I think it is only logical...sebab yang dibenarkan poligami itu kan lelaki? Tapi tang keadilan itu sebenarnya tergantung juga pada isteri2 itu sendiri.....kalau isteri2 yang dapat the bare minimum tapi dah rasa itu satu keadilan bagi diri mereka sedangkan sekelompok yang lain pula mengatakan kerana apa yang mereka dapat sebelum mereka dimadukan tak sama dengan apa yang dorang dapat setelah mereka bermadu maka mereka menyatakan mereka tekah tidak dapat keadilan dari pihak suami...so soalannya where do you draw the line tentnag konsep keadilan ini....?????

In other words..........kalau seorang suami itu rasa yang dia boleh berlaku adil dan telah melaksanakan apa yang termampu dalam keterbatasan serta kemampuannya pada isteri2 nya....sedangkan isteri2 itu rasakan ianya tidak adil terhadap mereka....jadi yang menentukan adil tidak adilnya suami itu siapa?

Dalam situasi ini.....Adakah TUHAN akan persoalkan dihari pembalasan kelak mengapa suami itu tidak adil dan bukannya menyoalkan pada para isteri2 kenapakah kamu zalim terhadap suami kamu yang telah berusaha untuk cuba berlaku seadil mungkin??????

manakautau

Originally posted by gunblade712 at 6-11-2008 12:58 PM
relax, putu..

just like you, manak is ALSO human beings who is prone to make mistakes...

no one is perfect, remember? not everyone on Earth are good people, that is why Allah created the Ja ...

...memang yang kat FD nih yang make mistakes selalu aku.......bak kata makcik siput.....korang seme yang betul...aku yang salah.......

Hang punya statement nih pun hati2...jangan ingat hang yang betul tau......gun?????

nyahsengal

i have to agree with gunblade..
manak dier takda etika masa berdebate..
dier buat rude demand kat gunblade suroh jawap...bla2..
tapi dier sundri tak praktik...

tuh tak adil...
mesti byk org tengah saksikan debate nih...
tengok manak main boyok..

manakautau

Originally posted by putubambu at 6-11-2008 12:51 PM
kau tu yg tak reti2 bahasa manak oii..!

letih ah nak cakap lebih2..

salah org ko nampak..salah sendiri tak ngaku...adeeii...

lantak lah..!!

Gotcha.......yang sebenarnya hang nak tegur disini Manak lah yer kan???????? Bukan gun?

....Understood..........

gunblade712

your rules that was imposed one me was (this was on post #53):

Originally posted by manakautau at 6-11-2008 12:32 PM
The rule of the thumb of any discusiion per say would have been...bila soalan diajukan...jawab dulu baru dikemukan soalan yang baru.....hang takder belajar bab etiquette nih ker gun?

and my simple question was (this was on post #57):

so, regardless of whether you wanna take the context of the discussion or not, which one is a better situation?

1. a good leader with a bad follower.

2. a bad leader with a good follower.

both are bad situation, but which one is better between those two, both in a marriage institution and in other system?

this question was posed by me AFTER I've answered your question on the same postings.

please, be truthful and responsible to your own words. How can you be just and fair to your wives when you can't be just and fair to your own words?

manakautau

Originally posted by nyahsengal at 6-11-2008 01:07 PM
i have to agree with gunblade..
manak dier takda etika masa berdebate..
dier buat rude demand kat gunblade suroh jawap...bla2..
tapi dier sundri tak praktik...

tuh tak adil...
mesti byk or ...

Yang paling takder etika ialah bila masuk thread pasal poligami...nak lebarkan lagi pernicangan pasal etika.......

Cut short please so we can proceed with our discussion proper?????

Putu...Manak dah jalankan amanah hang suruh dorang go back to topic.

manakautau

Originally posted by gunblade712 at 6-11-2008 01:08 PM
your rules that was imposed one me was (this was on post #53):



and my simple question was (this was on post #57):



this question was posed by me AFTER I've answered your question on ...

Jawapan untuk yang mustahil atau tidak itu hang dah jawab?

manakautau

Originally posted by gunblade712 at 6-11-2008 01:08 PM
How can you be just and fair to your wives when you can't be just and fair to your own words?

And how do you think a serial scandalous husbands who prefer not to go through poligami lie their way through with their wives all this while? Are you saying this people ignore their duties and responsibilities towards their wives??????

[ Last edited by  manakautau at 6-11-2008 01:18 PM ]

nyahsengal

Originally posted by manakautau at 6-11-2008 01:10 PM

Yang paling takder etika ialah bila masuk thread pasal poligami...nak lebarkan lagi pernicangan pasal etika.......

Cut short please so we can proceed with our discussion proper?????

Put ...

biasala kita neh sekali sekala..tak beretika..
engko tiap2 hari tak beretika....muahahaha..

manakautau

Originally posted by nyahsengal at 6-11-2008 01:18 PM


biasala kita neh sekali sekala..tak beretika..
engko tiap2 hari tak beretika....muahahaha..

Post hang yang ke 40 tu I think is good......tanggungjawab bersama...nak kena duduk slow talk and what not....maybe leh elaborate that point?????

gunblade712

Originally posted by manakautau at 6-11-2008 01:11 PM

Jawapan untuk yang mustahil atau tidak itu hang dah jawab?

It seems that you always failed to read and understand my postings..

here, lemme quoted my own statements...

post #57

why didn't you gave a more specific statement? trying to sound biblical here?

if you wanna take everything into account, then nothing is impossible. Humans are unpredictable. Some can change their husbands into a better one, while the majority won't be able to due to their restricted nature in marriage.

and didn't I've stressed it that I've answered the question on the same thread?

gunblade712

are you answering a question with a question?

i thought u said that's against the etiquette of discussion?

manakautau

Originally posted by gunblade712 at 6-11-2008 01:29 PM


It seems that you always failed to read and understand my postings..

here, lemme quoted my own statements...

post #57


and didn't I've stressed it that I've answered the questio ...

Soalan ditanya pada posting 47...dijawab pada posting 57.......and even that after second asking.......

So it is indeed tak mustahil bagi scenario seperti ini berlaku kan? By your own admission perkara ini boleh berlaku walaupun bilangannya tak ramai, don't you think it is about time kita lihat poligami ini sebagai sesuatu yang seharusnya ditonjolkan sebagai sesuatu yang positive yang boleh berjaya dengan kerjasama both parties????  baik dari pihak suami atau pun isteri secara khususnya dan masyarakat secara amnya???......

manakautau

Originally posted by gunblade712 at 6-11-2008 01:30 PM
are you answering a question with a question?

i thought u said that's against the etiquette of discussion?

Pernah dengar istilah jawapan dalam soalan tak?????

sal9281

awak ni lawyer syarie ke?

manakautau

Originally posted by sal9281 at 6-11-2008 02:21 PM
awak ni lawyer syarie ke?

Lawyer bukan majistret pun bukan sekadar selalu jugak ulang alik mahkamah syariah satu ketika dulu....

Horsey...betul tak kenyataan aku ini?????

kelana36

Pendapat saya..

   Apabila berpoligami, suami sebagai seorang ketua rumahtangga mestilah mempunyai ciri2 a good leader supaya dapat mentadbir rumahtangga dengan baik dan memakmurkan isi keluarga supaya sentiasa harmoni. Sekiranya ada good follower, its a bonus untuk memudahkan lagi dia menjalankan tanggungjawabnya. A bad leader memang tidak sesuai berpoligami.

  Kesimpulannya kejayaan atau kegagalan poligami itu adalah  terletak pada suami samada dia dapat mentadbir rumahtangganya dengan baik atau sebaliknya. Sekiranya gagal, jangan salahkan orang lain kerana dia gagal membentuk atau menukar bad follower kepada good follower.

gunblade712

tak..

sbb soalan kau tak menjawab soalan aku..

sooo, kalau kau menjawab soalan dengan soalan, itu adalah dibolehkan menurut kau..

tetapi jika orang lain buat kat kau, itu tidak boleh.. is this what you are trying to apply here?

for the love of Allah, be true to your own etiquette and respect your own rules and regulation..

sal9281

aku rasa kalau suami hanya mampu bagi makan telur masak kicap je kat bini dengan anak2 dah sah2 tak layak nak berpoligami. Setau aku mahkamah akan menyiasat kewangan suami dari segi gaji, ptongan bulanan, duit simpanan dan sebagainya. pasal tu adanya Mahkamah untuk membenarkan atau tak si suami berhak atau tak berpoligami. Kalau tak layak jagalah nafsu tu . Bak kata ustaz yang aku jumpa aritu, org lelaki ni kalau hidup dia diisi dengan ibadat takde masa la dia nak pikir nafsu pada wanita lain. Isteri sorang pun dah cukup asalkan isteri tu tak termasuk dalam syarat-syarat suami patut poligami.