Senjata Api : Self-Defense ?

windof

adalah lebih baik orang tau tak der senjata dlm kokpit.... ini boleh menghindarkan cobaan2 anasir2 tak betul kefala dari coba2 bertindak di luar dugaan.....

mmc

er itu cockpit door still tara kondipen kan

windof

pintu kokpit ok.... aku tak leh explain.....

tin

kalo kapla dah weng, garpu plastik pon boleh wat modal hijack pesawat.

err... tapikan wimdof, kalo pilot yg weng camno plak? mana taww dia tetiba jadik chemical imbalance dan terus jadi suicidal

mmc

yup..sendiri2 tau cukuplah

mmc

kalau ikut spekulasi di rantau ni pun sudah jadi ramai2 terjun ke darat/laut..nauzubillah..

windof

pasai tu kena ada 2 orang dlm tuh, check n balance....yg spekulasi tuh, too bad...kalu betul....

kalu pakai garpu plastik at least boleh karate kasi patah lagi...., ada la jugak guts crew2 nak scrum...

[ Last edited by  windof at 25-5-2009 11:41 ]

saden

Originally posted by windof at 25-5-2009 01:29
kan dolu sebelum merdeka dah darurat...sampai lepas merdeka lagi...pasai commie pon mau right utk pegang firearm....siapa kata tarak masalah?

negeri2 desert yg tak bawak firearm kehulu-kehilir ...

sebelum tu kena salam dulu pakcik windof ni.... veteran ni

yang wa mention tu utk address isu2 pasal amateurs handling firearms... mengamuk, tertembak, sikit2 tunjuk pistol, child safety, gaduh sikit nak bertembak, high noon, mexican standoff, OK Corrall etc. etc.

desert countries yg wa sebut tu irak, yaman, afganistan, pakistan. yg diorang tak aman tu bukan akibat civvies ada firearms, tapi political factors. tapi dari segi criminal safety, personal defence, it works quite well. orang biasa pun bukannya inclined nak bunuh orang memanjang, walaupun kat tangan ada weapon... so kita patut trust people punya good judgement like kita trust them with a car.. bukannya dia tak boleh randuk pedestrian dgn kereta dia..

nak control kepala weng ni, kena almst everyone ada firearm la. swift justice gitu.. yg weng ni pun akan pikir banyak kali nak jadi weng pasal sume org keliling pun ada firearms.

bila society mula ada firearms ni, akan ada weeding off stage memula tu. semua black holes with firearms akan kena weed off pasla tak reti nak behave. lepas tu baru aman with firearms.

mmc

tapi bro..can our society stomach the weeding off period, dan kalau boleh pun what is the level..

tu fasal wa cakap society lain dah alami "mengamuk, tertembak, sikit2 tunjuk pistol, child safety, gaduh sikit nak bertembak, high noon, mexican standoff, OK Corrall etc. etc." tapi most benda ni dah berlaku lama dah...so waktu sekarang kalau ada pun percentage mungkin kecil though whther acceptable wallahualam..

jadi kalau kita benarkan sekarang, masyarakat kita boleh terima ke..inikan bila polis tembak mati penjenyah pun "sudah bising'...inikan collateral damage..

windof

salam..salam...makasih la sudi salam pokcik ni ha...anak2 yg berbudi bahasa dan bersopan santun mulia nih la yg pokcik hormati dan sudi berkongsi ilmu yg tak seberapa nih...

pokcik dah berjalan kat tempat macam tuh... boring la, rasa macam tak selamat ngan persekitaran masing2 ada sepetol atau repal.... kat supermarket pon ada ramai pakguard yg bersenjatakan mesingan...nampak sangat tak harmoni tempat depa....penuh kekalutan pasai penuh ngan manusia2 sewel tak ada nilai2 kemanusiaan, sentiasa dalam ketakutan, phobia of perampok di mana2...pak guard pon kena bersenjatakan mesingan pasai ramai sangat sangak mempunyai senjata yg sama.... silap haribulan boleh caught in middle of gunfight....nak pi shopping pon tak senang...kalu tak gunfight, tah mana tau ada bom pulak...

semuanya sebab tak da kawalan bahan2 letupan dan ordenan...kalu ada kawalan, at least depa tau siapa punya...mana mai.... cuma nak kena perambat dan perobih sekelumit outlaw yg ketegaq nak mampus....

malaysia nih dah cukup bertamadun dah, tak perlu la kita kembali ke zaman undang2 rimba....
kisah mat indon yg guna shotgun curi dari rela tempohari utk samun/ugut satu family pon boleh buat iktibar... kena jaga betul2 senjata nih, dapat kat outlaw macam tuh kan menyusahkan semua orang...
salam lagi... salam...

benzo

Definitely dia orang tak ada lesen dan ada pistol illegally, minimum age untuk ada pistol 21. Budak grad highschool ni mesti 17-18. Besar kemungkinan member geng mana2. dia raong lah yang banayk kes shooting , mostly among dia orang.

gaduh tuh,  70% koboi, 20% tomoi, 10% 100 yard dash.

benzo

Originally posted by tin at 25-5-2009 00:25
it also showed that firearms does not stop criminals.

if it did, the criminals should have surrendered once he realized that he has been surrounded by armed police.

by the way, found this i ...

Please don't quota wikipedia. Kat sekolah sini kalau guan wikipedia sebagai reference, dapat grade F . Pasal wiki nih sape2 pun boleh tulis. bukan ada references sangat pon.

Statistik yang aku quote semua datang dari criminoly punya study and they mostly show that firearms reduce violence.

In this particular case, firearms did stop the criminal, he's dead . I was refencing this news report just to show that bad guys in Malaysia have guns, strict laws not withstanding. Now if the family had firearms too, maybe the hijacker would never have managed to hold them hostage. Maybe if guns are widespread in Malaysia homes, he wouldn't even dare try.

mmc

tell me one thing bro..bukan ke carrying concealed weapon illegal kat US?

benzo

Originally posted by windof at 25-5-2009 01:25
itu pasal la negara2 yg hang mention tuh tarak aman...berzaman2 bergaduh dan berperang sama sendiri...masing2 ikut kefala ego masing2.... kalu semua orang bawak sepetol dlm kapalterbang lagi la h ...

US, Canada, Switzerland, Finland semua ada guns in homes... tapi aman damai. Rwanda, Burundi civies tak ada weapons, tengok apa yang jadi kat sana. A few hundred thousand men, women and children dead, mostly hacked with machetes.

Aman ke porak peranda ke sesuatu negara has nothing to do with guns but more with local politics, situations and grieviances. Kalau negara tu aman, ada guns pon tak do any harm. Kalau porak peranda, kalau ada guns at least it's a fairer fight. Without guns, it will just be a slaughter like Rwanda

areguard

Kalau di Malaysia ni semua org boleh bawak guns, alamat jadi mcm the old west, high noon boleh berlaku everyday..because beneath the calm and harmony,there still is suppressed emotions of unhappiness among racial lines, this we could not deny.
Even without guns, spots of isolated cases of racial tensions still happened hanya tidak dihebahkan takut berlaku jadi 13 May..with guns in everyone's hands, i shudder to imagine the consequences..let the authorities handle the firearms.its safer in my mind

saden

Originally posted by areguard at 25-5-2009 23:23
Kalau di Malaysia ni semua org boleh bawak guns, alamat jadi mcm the old west, high noon boleh berlaku everyday..because beneath the calm and harmony,there still is suppressed emotions of unhappi ...

everyday memang jadi high noon pun

OK Corrall tu famous exactly because it was a rare occurrence despite guns everywhere. A normal person, pegang a weapon, any weapon... does he suddenly feel the urge to kill? I don't think so. So, why are you so worried? If u are armed too, why are u even worried?

and u're worried about guns in everyone's hands... what about cars? u're not worried someone might mow down a group of schoolchildren? and yet we let everyone drive one..

[ Last edited by  saden at 26-5-2009 00:47 ]

saden

salam... Allah..Allah... salam lagi

kawan pun takla muda...dah nak masuk 42 dah ni, tapi mesti hormat yg lebih tua

anyway, kat those places, pakcik kena jadi gunslinger juga la like the locals, baru rasa safe

again, my thesis is that all the worries tu jadi pasal not enough good citizens yg armed. bila enough good citizens armed, baru rasa safe balik.

saden

wa rasa bro dah jawap sendiri soalan tu, "tapi most benda ni dah berlaku lama dah...so waktu sekarang kalau ada pun percentage mungkin kecil though whther acceptable...?" .. wa spekulate cuma 1 or 2 occurrence aje before the bungholios understand that the good citizens mean business and won't take no crap..

yg polis tembak kendian bising tu...yg bising2 tu a small number of sissies je. the rest are grateful.

one wise americano said about taking own responsibility to protect oneself;
"if u need to ask permission to carry a weapon, u deserve the answer u get..."

2nd amendment - the right to arm bears!

benzo

Originally posted by mmc at 25-5-2009 21:18
tell me one thing bro..bukan ke carrying concealed weapon illegal kat US?

Other than Washington DC, anyone who is not a felon can get a permit to carry. Some states (Alaska, Vermont) requires no permit. Most states require a one day class to qualify for a carry permit. I have had mine for many years and so do my wife. With the permit, I can carry any handgun concealed or open and may carry a loaded rifle or shotgun in the car.

benzo

Originally posted by saden at 26-5-2009 00:43
wa rasa bro dah jawap sendiri soalan tu, "tapi most benda ni dah berlaku lama dah...so waktu sekarang kalau ada pun percentage mungkin kecil though whther acceptable...?" .. wa spekulate cuma 1 o ...

well said bro.. and to paraphrase another famous American. They will take my guns when they pry it from my cold dead hands.