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Post time 5-2-2009 03:31 PM | Show all posts
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The Japanese B-segment market is indeed a hot one and is dominated by the H and T badges, despite honest efforts by other manufacturers such as Suzuki to make an impact with cars such as the SX4 sedan. The City and the Vios remain the champions of the under RM80k non-national sedan market and are the target of many people who long to break out of what they feel is the curse of Proton ownership, so naturally the launch of the new Honda City this year was very eagerly awaited. The new City is blessed with good looks and now that the launch and fanfare are over, it’s time to take a good look at the car and see if it is indeed as good as it looks.

Design

2009 Honda City

While the design of the City is not perfect, it’s way better looking than the odd hatchback with a boot slapped previous generation City. It’s also got a more classic sedan look to it with none of that A-pillar triangular window stuff. A sports sedan to be exact. I still like the shape as much as I did when I first saw it on the spyshots on the internet, especially the white one transported in China. It’s just too bad Honda isn’t offering the car in white here, in fact there are no white Hondas on sale except for the Type R, but I was told white is being added to the CKD paint process soon.

The top of the line model gets foglamps but I kind of prefer the bumper without the foglamps as somehow it helps make the car look wider and shorter. Chrome for the door handles are a nice touch, while the fuel lid opens up with just a touch much like more pricey European cars.

Honda City Interior

With the new City, you no longer get that airy feeling that was present in the old City. This is the result of the seating position being much more car-like rather than mini-MPV-like, thanks to Honda distancing the City from its boot-less Jazz sibling. While the Ultra Seats are gone, things like using the bottom of the rear seats to store an umbrella is a great idea. Never again do you have to place it in some random area on the floor of your car and get your whole carpet/mats soaked more than necessary.

Honda City Driver Seat

Being someone about 181cm tall, I was quite happy in the driver’s seat of the City. Everything was quite ergonomic, from steering position to seat height and position. The storage compartments are also easy to use and the little storage area under the driver side air cond vent is quite usable for your Touch N Go card as its slant prevents the card from sliding out of the compartment. The fuel tank is located under the front seats so there’s not much room for you to install your aftermarket ICE amplifiers there.

The raised floor caused by the fuel tank also juts out a little when you push the front seats nearly all the way back as I needed to do because of my height, so you are quite limited in where you can rest your leg if you want to fold it inwards towards you instead of placing it on the footrest.

Honda City Legroom

There is enough headroom at the rear and decent leg space. Nothing to complain about there. You could definitely seat 3 adults in the rear bench with reasonable amount of comfort, as it is wide enough.

The instrument panel looks good and is easy to read, and there is a multi-information display that can show you various data such as fuel consumption in real time. Well, not exactly fuel consumption but more of fuel economy as the reading is in km per liter, so the higher the bar goes the more km you are getting from each liter according to your driving style.

2009 Honda City

The CD player slot is hidden behind the radio display, which is rather neat and I liked how the paid attention to how the radio display actually flipped down - it doesn’t just snap down like how a cheap metal pencil case made in China would open, if you get what I mean.

2009 Honda City

The USB interface is hidden in front of the gear lever in the storage compartment. You can load MP3s and WMAs from a USB device, and because the USB port is powered, if your PDA uses a USB cable for charging you can just plug it into the USB port and juice up. The radio LCD display is a very low resolution one with limited text display capabilities so it doesn’t do much to show your full song title or CD ID3 text completely.

Center Dash

Despite refinement in certain areas, Honda could really have done better with the choice of colour for the whole center dash area. It seems poorly styled compared to the rest of the vehicle. Sure, it’s functional, but choices of material in certain areas especially the center dash makes it look rather toy-like. It’s got nothing to do with the quality of materials as I am sure they could have pulled this off within budget and not look cheap at the same time. A case of good intentions but misguided styling perhaps. While you may be put off by it at the showroom, this is something that you will get used to and forget after a while.

Honda City Trunk

The boot is cavernous at 506 liters, and to achieve this space there is no full-size spare tyre but one of those thinner emergency ones. One nice touch is how Honda has neatly hidden away the wheel jack and other tyre change tools under a plastic part with a wheel jack logo on it.
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Post time 5-2-2009 03:33 PM | Show all posts
Driving Experience

Honda City

The City handles Malaysian roads quite well, absorbing road irregularities to a level that is expected from a car like this, and striking a good balance between comfort and handling which is what a Honda buyer would expect. The steering and pedals are light and easy to use for a beginner driver. The City can take corners with confidence and even when you start sliding out of control it is very easy to correct. The combination of the electric power steering accuracy, weight and the lack of any excessive bodyroll except in the extremes makes the City a car that’ll keep the driver happy, that is until he is joined by passengers.

Honda City Meter Panel

Honda’s media drive to Malacca assigned 3 of us to a car and I began to understand why Mainland China consumers get a 1.8 liter motor in the City. The City may feel sluggy at times and it was made worse by the really hot day. While the engine boasts 120 PS of output, this is only achievable way beyond the 6,000rpm rev range so none of it is actually usable when you are in a hurry but exactly in a hurry enough to slam the pedal to the metal and let the car rev to the redline in all gears. It’s enough power to get going but not enough for the whole gutsy feeling that Honda likes associating the car with. So yes, it’s best to drive gently and smoothly whenever there are maybe 2 or more passengers in the car to keep both yourself and the engine happy, otherwise you’ll be looking for air filter, exhaust and all sorts of mods to extract more power from the car.

Honda City

You also don’t get to keep the revs up as often as you’d want because despite having 5 gear ratios, the last 2 are overdrive gears with one extra tall gear for more silent and economical highway cruising (for this purpose it works rather well), so during City driving and acceleration it performs identically to a 4-speed auto. While this works well for a car like the Civic 2.0 where the engine is meaty enough, perhaps Honda could also have taken the opportunity to provide more closely-spaced ratios instead to improve acceleration, and have just one extra tall overdrive gear (instead of one very tall one and one not as much) for high speed cruising?

The feeling of a stepped gearbox is nice, and contributes to giving the City a more sporty feel, rather than the rubberband-ish feeling of a CVT, no matter how much more efficient a CVT actually is. The engine doesn’t seem as smooth as a Honda should be, getting a little loud and rough (and slightly Campro-ish metallic raspy reverb) from the high-mid revs onwards. But under normal and relaxed driving conditions, none of these characteristics are noticeable.

I eagerly wait for the day Honda decides to phase out this stuff and replace it with a 1.4 liter i-DSI Turbo or something. 120 PS and 180Nm of torque from at low as 1,400rpm sounds nice. They already have an i-DSI turbo for the Honda ZEST.

Honda City

The high spec car’s paddle shifts are easy to work and just plain works, but this isn’t a quick shifting DSG box so there is a noticeable lag between you pressing the paddle shift and the gearbox actually doing something. If you engage paddle shift mode in the S mode, you will be in the M mode which means the gearbox will not shift even if you go past the redline, after of which the revcut will kick in and prevent you from over-revving the engine. The gearbox will also never downshift on command if it detects that the engine will be over-reved on a downshift.

Honda City

The car was quite stable and planted (some would say it feels “solid”) at most speeds until you reach about 160km/h where in a straight line you could feel a little nervousness in the car, like your tyre contact patch to the ground wasn’t very large. It was only present in the lower spec car, which at first we attributed to the smaller wheels but once we gave this feedback to the Honda engineers he said the difference should not have been that big. This could have been an alignment issue with the test cars which we were told were prototype cars, so I hope to have this tested again in another drive.

If you keep to the brand values that the average Joe on the street associate Honda with, this new City seems much more like a “Honda” than the previous City ever was but at the same time loses what made the previous City unique. The previous City was something more like a Citroen or any random wacky European manufacturer in its concept, it did what it was supposed to do really well and was nice and airy on the inside but its looks suffered because of the good interior dimensions.

Honda City Comparison

This new City on the other hand has a traditional sporty forward-shooting wedge design, and has the driving position to match. I’ve tried my best to give you a detailed report of my day with the car, the rest is up to you to feel the car yourself and do a little more research on (if there are) any potential problems early adopters might be encountering, and how to go around them.

While there are 2 airbags and the standard anti-lock brakes, nowhere in the world is the Honda City available with any form of stability control, which is a concern at the moment if Honda wants to bring the car to Europe, unless it is only thinking of the poorer Eastern Europe countries. They are working on this, so it may be a feature that will debut with the facelift model.
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Post time 5-2-2009 04:06 PM | Show all posts

Balas #1322 genie2522\ catat

mulia sungguh hati Jini ni...walaupun dikutuk akibat membuat hubungan jenis dengan cti tua, tapi dia tetap memberi sokongan pada ct muda yg lebih anggun
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Post time 5-2-2009 04:11 PM | Show all posts

Balas #1323 zzcbr\ catat

I eagerly wait for the day Honda decides to phase out this stuff andreplace it with a 1.4 liter i-DSI Turbo or something. 120 PS and 180Nmof torque from at low as 1,400rpm sounds nice. They already have ani-DSI turbo for the Honda ZEST.


hmmm....
kalau lower rpm,maksudnya consumption minyak lagi rendah la kan zz...???
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Post time 5-2-2009 04:12 PM | Show all posts
off topik..

sejak bila bod nih bleh sembang pasal basikal...........

mcm syok jerk... haku nak beli basikal
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Post time 5-2-2009 04:17 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by genie2522 at 5-2-2009 05:11 PM


hmmm....
kalau lower rpm,maksudnya consumption minyak lagi rendah la kan zz...???


minta maaf lah jini...aku tak tahu pasal kaitan rpm and torqe ni ngan fc ...coz aku selalu rujuk kepada hp ngan torqe aje, fc ni aku tak pernah ambik kisah
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Post time 5-2-2009 04:18 PM | Show all posts

Balas #1326 zzcbr\ catat

urang kaya mmg begitu...
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Post time 5-2-2009 04:41 PM | Show all posts

Reply #1326 zzcbr's post

tul tuh zek.....kalo minyak abis isik jek la...apa susah sgt....
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Post time 6-2-2009 01:06 PM | Show all posts

Balas #1328 tossee\ catat

same la ngan aku....kang tak isi tak berjalan plakz kete tu...
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Post time 6-2-2009 11:43 PM | Show all posts
aku punya Ferrari F430 tapi xde geng laa nak sembang... keter city ni sama harga dgn tudung tangki minyak aku je.....  
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Post time 7-2-2009 03:19 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by fredbok87 at 6-2-2009 01:06 PM
same la ngan aku....kang tak isi tak berjalan plakz kete tu...


tula...ada duit isik jek minyak.....jgn lak cam dia tuh....pakai kete ferrari...tp takde org nak borak dgn dia.....kesiannnnnnn
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Post time 7-2-2009 09:03 AM | Show all posts
mengikut kata sa aku,city aku bakal keluar minggu depan hari jumaat... smlm dah pergi trade in kete.. tp mmg bodo la SA aku tu dia boleh terkunci kete aku dari dlm..enjin kete idup tp kunci kat dlm pintu lak berkunci.. tak pepasal aku dpt test drive jazz balik umah amik kunci spare. aku amik kat mofaz tu
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Post time 7-2-2009 09:27 AM | Show all posts

Reply #1332 riza939's post

Tahniah utk kooo dan bakal city baru ko yg bakal kuar....

Dan takziah utk SA ko tu sbb kunci tertggl dlm keta lama ko...dan terkunci dari luar..

Keh keh keh......
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Post time 7-2-2009 09:58 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by tossee at 7-2-2009 04:19 AM


tula...ada duit isik jek minyak.....jgn lak cam dia tuh....pakai kete ferrari...tp takde org nak borak dgn dia.....kesiannnnnnn


aku rela naik basikal tapi ada kawan berborak daripada pakai bentley tapi hidup sorang2
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Post time 7-2-2009 10:16 AM | Show all posts

Reply #1334 zzcbr's post

tula pasal zz...takde guna pakai maserati kalo duk kedai kopi duk teguk kopi sensorang.....baik ler lepak dgn geng2 beskal bawah pokok ceri...
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Post time 7-2-2009 10:42 AM | Show all posts

Balas #1335 tossee\ catat

Bestnyerrr lepak dengan geng2 basikal bawah pokok ceri...(zaman anis dulu-dulu lepak dengan geng basikal anis bawah pokok jambu batu... )...pehtu sambil borak sambil baling kayu kat buah2 jambu batu tu...pehtu terlempar kat sarang tebuan....wahhhh....bertempiaran lari lintang pukang tak cukup tanah....kenangan silam bersama geng basikal ku......hikhikhikhikhik.........




boring lah kan asyik citer bandaraya yang cam lipas bawak telor jer tu kan...selingannnn...hikhikhikhik
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Post time 7-2-2009 02:11 PM | Show all posts

Balas #1332 riza939\ catat

eh.. saya pun honda kt mofaz tu.. SA awak nama ape?
SA saya ckp keta mungkin dpt ujung bulan.. awak booking bila?
saya pung mungikin trade in gen2 saya.. gen2 saya pun slalu auto lock...
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Post time 7-2-2009 06:05 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by zzcbr at 5-2-2009 04:17 PM


minta maaf lah jini...aku tak tahu pasal kaitan rpm and torqe ni ngan fc ...coz aku selalu rujuk kepada hp ngan torqe aje, fc ni aku tak pernah ambik kisah


hahaha..inilah kata2 orang duit berkepuk
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Post time 7-2-2009 09:40 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mama_comel at 7-2-2009 02:11 PM
eh.. saya pun honda kt mofaz tu.. SA awak nama ape?
SA saya ckp keta mungkin dpt ujung bulan.. awak booking bila?
saya pung mungikin trade in gen2 saya.. gen2 saya pun slalu auto lock...


booking 20 disember 08..SA ku yang sengal tu bernama michelle..awak bila plak tempah?
paling jauh kete aku penah auto lock masa aku cuci kete kat selayang..umah aku kat damansara...bapak jauh aku nak balik umah amik kunci spare.
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Post time 7-2-2009 11:31 PM | Show all posts

Kereta-kereta ku

Pada pendapat peribadi aku la....setelah drive city nih....rase dia lebih kurang dgn persona aku jek...cuma seat city baru nih lebih comfort sket...kalo pick-up tuh...persona lagi pick-up drpd city baru nih....perbezaan dia boleh rase time nak tekan pedal minyak...walaupun kedua2nye menggunakan system drive by wire....aku rase city nih cam slow sket nak rev bile aku tekan pedal minyak secara mendadak...



Kat city nih aku suka stereng dia....ringan sket berbanding dgn persona....sbb power stereng city nih menggunakan elektrik & stereng persona lak masih lagi menggunakan kuasa enjin.....tp perbezaan dia tak byk la... ...pasal muatan bonet lak...mmg tak dpt disangkal lagi bonet persona lagi besar..



Daripada kadar bunyik bising didlm kabin lak....undian masih lagi memihak kpd persona...kete persona aku lagi senyap berbanding dgn city baru aku nih...mungkin sbb kete persona tuh dah dilengkapi dgn pad2 perendam bunyik yg ada kat boot depan & belakang..menjadikkannye lebih senyap...



Daripada segi penggunaan minyak lak....bagi aku lebih kurang jek...kalo nak kata persona lagi kuat makan minyak tak wajar lak...sbb enjin persona adalah 1.6 DOHC sedangkan city lak 1.5 SOHC...jadik bagi aku lebih kurang jek penggunaan minyak dia...kalo minyak habis isik la balik..apa nak susah2??



Drpd segi rekabentuk lak...bagi aku la....aku suka bahagian depan city berbanding dgn persona....umpama Maria Ozawa dgn Akira Watase ...dedua cantik...tp Maria lagi menyerlah sbb dia kacukan... ...kalo bahagian belakang lak..aku suka montot persona...sbb nampak seksi...city lak nampak cam biasa2 jekkk...



Jadik komen aku jika...ada org nak mintak pandangan aku antara Persona & City adalah seperti berikut :-

Persona - Kalo korang cukup2 budget & amat memerlukan kereta besar utk keluarga, belilah persona berbaloi utk pelaburan anda...aku dah hampir setahun pakai...setakat nih takde masalah pun...proton dah byk berubah dah skrg...duk dlm persona & city hampir takde beza (tp kalo nak dibandingkan dgn model honda yg lain takleh la..)

City Baru - Kalo korang ada duit lebih & keluarga tak besar sgt, nampak sporty sket, cantik & menawan....tapi kalo nak bwk barang byk mmg takleh lawan persona punye bonet...besar gedabak....lagi satu nak bela honda nih...korang takleh ada duit cukup2 utk byr installement dia setiap bulan jek...tp kena ada duit gak utk maintainance & sebagainye...kalo ada duit cukup2 tuh aku tak rekemen la...sbb nnt kang...anak korang sakit demam ke...korang dah takde duit utk hantar derang ke klinik yg terbaik...



Demikian sajelah perbandingan aku antara Persona & City....ini adalah pendapat peribadi aku berdasarkan pengalaman aku memandu kedua2 model kete ini...jadik kalo korang yg nak beli city baru nih....buatlah calculation betul2...jgn nnt...hujung bulan korang kesempitan duit lak...masa tuh takde sape dah nak nolong....

[ Last edited by  tossee at 8-2-2009 12:50 AM ]
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