Murtad Mama

yaminz · Post time 7-5-2008 09:44 AM

Kalo Allah kata smua manusia jd Islam, maka smuala jd Islam... Xdala yg jd penhuni Neraka... Tp Allah bg manusia utk bfikir, maka tpulang kpd manusia smada nak jadi Islam atau bukan Islam... Jgnla kita sbgi manusia yg kerdil mcabar k Esaan Allah...

yaminz · Post time 7-5-2008 09:47 AM

Masa kecik dulu slalu gak kena paksa smpi kena rotan, tp xdala smpi murtad... Mmg alasan plg budusss...

Maideen. · Post time 7-5-2008 09:47 AM

Originally posted by yaminz at 7-5-2008 09:44 AM
Kalo Allah kata smua manusia jd Islam, maka smuala jd Islam... Xdala yg jd penhuni Neraka... Tp Allah bg manusia utk bfikir, maka tpulang kpd manusia smada nak jadi Islam atau bukan Islam... Jgnl ...

Tak boleh ka kita cuba membimbing dia supaya jadi beriman macam kita?

pelaga · Post time 7-5-2008 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Maideen. at 7-5-2008 09:44 AM

Dai telah menyelamatkan ramai orang orang beriman punya akidah dengan mengharamkan kita mengucapkan Happy Deepavalee pelaga....

hahaha!

ye ye! Ana rasa dalelnya adalah dlm Qoran ada disubut "Innaddinna indallahil Islem..." ka apa ka.

Maideen. · Post time 7-5-2008 09:49 AM

Originally posted by pelaga at 7-5-2008 09:47 AM

hahaha!

ye ye! Ana rasa dalelnya adalah dlm Qoran ada disubut "Innaddinna indallahil Islem..." ka apa ka.

Tepat sekali!

Santeira · Post time 7-5-2008 09:49 AM

Hi, Maideen., lama tak nampak

Anyway, bukan Allah tak terdaya. Tapi kalau dia tentukan semuanya--temasuk pengakhiran manusia sama ada di syurga dan neraka--maka bolehlah dia dikatakan tak adil kan. It defeats the purpose of Qada' dan Qadar, cause and effect, as man is free to decide which course he shall take in his life. But somehow, I know you knew that already

truly · Post time 7-5-2008 09:51 AM

Originally posted by Santeira at 7-5-2008 09:49 AM
Hi, Maideen., lama tak nampak

Anyway, bukan Allah tak terdaya. Tapi kalau dia tentukan semuanya--temasuk pengakhiran manusia sama ada di syurga dan neraka--maka bolehlah dia di ...

I was about to say the same to you and him..

how are you san?

true what you said, kalau dah di tentukan, hari pembalasan jadi redundant. apa barang nak balas, kalau dah di tentukan?

pelaga · Post time 7-5-2008 09:52 AM

Tell me more about Qadha' dan Qadar ini, San. Qadha' tu apa? Qadar tu apa pula?

Baiduri Othman · Post time 7-5-2008 09:53 AM

Ya ke? Nanti kalau Allah swt. cakap Dia dah tentukan sesiapa masuk neraka & syurga, kata Dia tak adil pulak kan. Ni Dia dah mention psl Qadha & Qadar, beri manusia kelebihan dr. makhluk lain iaitu akal fikiran yg buat dunia ni merry go round, masih tak puas hati lagi?

Maideen. · Post time 7-5-2008 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Santeira at 7-5-2008 09:49 AM
Hi, Maideen., lama tak nampak

Anyway, bukan Allah tak terdaya. Tapi kalau dia tentukan semuanya--temasuk pengakhiran manusia sama ada di syurga dan neraka--maka bolehlah dia di ...

Hi San,

Been busy lah.

You know.... I can relate to this statement by Roslina:

I recall making fun of the teacher in religious school at the age of 11 because she kept on talking about nonsense (which she seemed to believe in).

Dia tidak mahu membiarkan otaknya di sumbatkan dengan sampah sampah dari kecil lagi.

That's Islamic in my books!

SQUIRREL · Post time 7-5-2008 09:55 AM

Originally posted by acura at 6-5-2008 12:27 PM
apa susah...akhirat nanti ALLAH akan balasnya, bah ALLAH tak rugi apa apa pun kalau hambanya nak murtad......

Atas dunia ni pun Allah dah balas dah, rumahtangga tak kekal, org yg dipercayai menipu dia...tu semua antara balasan Allah Taala, tapi org macam ni mana dia sedar, dia ingat semua yg berlaku kerana org tu jahat ke, atau keadaan yg buat semuanya jadi macam tu.....Nauzubillah.......

Maideen. · Post time 7-5-2008 09:55 AM

Originally posted by truly at 7-5-2008 09:51 AM

I was about to say the same to you and him..

how are you san?

true what you said, kalau dah di tentukan, hari pembalasan jadi redundant. apa barang nak balas, kalau dah di tentukan?

Hi T.

Santeira · Post time 7-5-2008 09:56 AM

Truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Dah lama tak nampak

2:2 ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ

ZALIKAL KITABABU LA RA'E BA FI'HE HU'DAL LIL MUTAQEENA
This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.

2:3 الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنفِقُون

ALA'ZEENA YU'ME'NUNA BIL'GAYB WA YUQE'MUNA'S SALATA WA MIMA RAZAQ'NA'KUM YUN'FI'QU'N
Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;

2:4 والَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِالآخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ

And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.

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Only for those who believe.

I'm fine, what about you?

Baiduri Othman · Post time 7-5-2008 09:56 AM

Saya dah confuse sebenarnya. Yg satu semuanya dah ditetapkan ie. mati dsbnya. Yg satu tu - kita boleh ubah & boleh corak. Mcm US Govt boleh rancang masadepan dunia termasuk ekonomi & politics. Memang bukan semuanya menjadi ttp kalau ikut perancangan yg betul berpandukan facts & forecast, memang bnyk yg menjadi.

Bukankah dah terbukti bhw akal fikiran manusia ni adalah anugerah Allah swt yg hebat?

Santeira · Post time 7-5-2008 09:58 AM

Mak pernah buat thread pasal ni abe pelaga. Here you go:-

Retorting Non-Believers: Man and His Destiny:-

http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthr ... man%2Bhis%2Bdestiny

Maideen. · Post time 7-5-2008 09:59 AM

Originally posted by pelaga at 7-5-2008 09:52 AM
Tell me more about Qadha' dan Qadar ini, San. Qadha' tu apa? Qadar tu apa pula?

Maaf mencelah pelaga. But there are people who are called Qadariah I think. The thrust of their belief is that semuanya adalah terhasil dari Kudrat dan Iradat Allah Taalla.

Santeira · Post time 7-5-2008 09:59 AM

I used to make fun at religious teachers when I was little too. Don't get me wrong--they just didn't seem the type who practice what they preach.

Baiduri Othman · Post time 7-5-2008 10:00 AM

Tepat sekali. Sehebat2 manusia ni ie. bercakap berdegar2, gah sana gah sini - once ditimpa sakit, baru diaorg tahu. Belum lagi Allah swt. bagi malapetaka yg besar spt gempa bumi, berada dlm kapalterbang hampir nak terhempas. Time tu baru mrk sedar SIAPA SEBENARNYA LEBIH BERKUASA terutama bila di ambang kematian.

Tu pun masih tak sedar diri lagi sebab sekarang Tuhan bagi tubuh badan sihat & semuanya dipermudahkan Tuhan. Sedangkan kereta rosak, dah complain sumpah seranah memanjang sebab merosakkan bnyk plans.