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Untold History : Johor Battery - The Biggest Guns in the East (P13.. WTF??)
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stuju dgn alpha...
aku rasa uneks ni ada penyakit bugisphile...
sbb tuu bila dia dapat cerita dari blog2 sampah trus angkat sbgai fakta....
walaupun dari segi logis trus fail |
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Reply 139# alphawolf
One was on an older mounting, and could not be brought to bear
mungkin sbb tu kot x leh rotate freely? |
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Mungkin juga...ada aku jumpa kat internet
The 2 guns of Buona Vista, and only 2 guns of Jahore {sic} were in Mk.2 barbettes, which had the ammo supply underneath the guns rather like the guns on a battleship, and could "turn". |
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Reply 140# halimi78
Macam aku kata, banyak posting dia intriguing dan banyak 'misteri' dan 'untold history'...tapi ada jugak dia bagi merapu. Pasal Sultan Abu Bakar dan Ibrahim pi sana sini, harta sana sini tu aku takleh nak sanggah pasal aku takde fakta to the contrary and aku ambik at face value.
Tapi kalau merapu tahap gaban contohnya pasal 'pengkalan U-Boat kat Mersing' mmg aku sanggah kaw2 punya pasal temberang gila dan dia pun takleh nak bagi fakta kukuh dakwaan dia (mmg anggapan semata2!). Tapi bila kena camtu, ah mula la dia bersilat......lepas tu kata orang ceduk dari Wiki..... |
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Post Last Edit by halimi78 at 3-11-2010 16:41
so.... harap ni kompemkan saiz meriam tu...
no more issues 500m panjang meriam..
kedit to tuan blog... |
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Reply 136# alphawolf
1st.... berbangga2 sgt.. confirm mcm tau.. ko dgn atuk ko...
bile aku kire2... umur atuk ko from 1st regimen tahun 1931... agak2... dah tua ganyut nk mampus mase time dia 'ceritakan' pd ko - baru ko perasan... and revise 'kehebatan' atuk ko.. walaupun sorang pun kt forum ni tak boleh confirm kan yg ko temberang ke betul... melainkan.. 'oh.. atuk aku buat tu..'.. oh.. 'atuk aku buat ni..'
2ndly..
the primary source.. yg aku ambik mengatakan fakta2 yg aku tulis dari 1st page tu... ; it is.. 500 meter long.. and 1 out of 2 guns.. could not rotate sebab arahan sultan ibrahim..
and.. i stick on that.. sebab.. awalan source yg aku bace mengatakan perkara itu.. |
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Reply 144# alphawolf
Tapi kalau merapu tahap gaban contohnya pasal 'pengkalan U-Boat katMersing' mmg aku sanggah kaw2 punya pasal temberang gila dan dia puntakleh nak bagi fakta kukuh dakwaan dia (mmg anggapan semata2!). Tapibila kena camtu, ah mula la dia bersilat......lepas tu kata orang cedukdari Wiki.....
ini yg membezakan orang mcm aku.. dgn orang mcm ko...
- klu betul2 dah dpt facts.. baru aku bukak thread psal ni.. yg ko bace.. cume dari comment2 aku = diambil dari ongoing project dgn forumer "Ranjer" dan beberape rakan2 lain yg skrang tengah bertungkus lumus kupas bende ni..
thread psal ni ; akan datang.. equipped with pics.. maps.. and all 'untold' facts... bukan cite kosong DARI ATOK AKU.. mcm ko
hahaaaa |
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Reply 146# unekspekted
tukang tulis tersilap, hang pon silap jugak hekkk... meriam panjang 500 meter. gile ke hape. takde dalam sejarah |
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Reply 149# abangbikerz
you might be right.. maybe the 1st source yg aku ambik tu silap.. but at least.. source tu bukan cite dongeng atok aku.. hahahaa |
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The 2 guns of Buona Vista, and only 2 guns of Jahore {sic} were in Mk.2 barbettes, which had the ammo supply underneath the guns rather like the guns on a battleship, and could "turn".
alphawolf Post at 3-11-2010 16:13 
1 of 3 Johor battery was on Mk.1 placement.. ---> yg ni xleh lps 180degree rotation..
Mk.1 concrete emplacement tu yg d refer sbg 'old mounting' kan? cuma 1 drp 5 15" guns yg guna mounting ni..
rasa ni lg jelas kot.. takat mana leh tembak.. |
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TQ encik Halimi. very very informative. |
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Post Last Edit by alphawolf at 4-11-2010 08:30
Yep very informative and bloody well shows that most of the southern coast of Johor is within its arc of fire...all it needs is just removing the buffer. Contrary to what the esteemed and highly knowledgeable mr unekspekted says.....
Dan uneks terima kasih kerana mengkonfirmkan kebangsatan engkau. Dan semoga dihari tua engkau semua yang kau cerita pasal Sultan2 Johor dan apa semua 'untold history' kau anak cucu kau dismiss sebagai cerita 'orang nyanyuk' yang terbuang dirumah orang tua-tua..... |
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Reply alphawolf
the primary source.. yg aku ambik mengatakan fakta2 yg aku tulis dari 1st page tu... ; it is.. 500 meter long..
unekspekted Post at 3-11-2010 19:15 
Aku tengok balik blog yang kau petik tu....dia kata meriam tu laras dia 16.5 meter panjang. Dan JARAK antara meriam2 tu 500meter tapi ko berkeras kata meriam tu 500 meter panjang....
Issyyyy kesian...muda2 lagi dah nyanyuk....... |
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Meriam tu direka untuk bertempur dengan battleship seberat 35,000 tan. Dan battleship Jepun berat camtu mempunyai ketebalan armor sehingga 305mm...aku rasa 5mm tu tahap destroyer aje..... |
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Reply 153# alphawolf
Dan uneks terima kasih kerana mengkonfirmkan kebangsatan engkau. Dan semoga dihari tua engkau semua yang kau cerita pasal Sultan2 Johor dan apa semua 'untold history' kau anak cucu kau dismiss sebagai cerita 'orang nyanyuk' yang terbuang dirumah orang tua-tua.....
now.. klua bangsat pulaaaakk. buntu kerr?? hahahahaaa..
'cite org nyanyuk' cume cite dongeng jee.. takde reference ketas keje bagai.. mcm.... tuan punye badan tuu laaa... maybe ko tak tau beza 'sejarah' dengan 'sejarah lisan'.. |
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Reply abangbikerz
you might be right.. maybe the 1st source yg aku ambik tu silap.. but at leas ...
unekspekted Post at 3-11-2010 21:09
Source kau tak silap...ko yang silap.....tapi tak tau la kalau source kau pun sebnarnya dah umur 80 tahun yang ada blog...... |
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Reply alphawolf
now.. klua bangsat pulaaaakk. buntu kerr?? hahahahaaa..
'cite org nyanyu ...
unekspekted Post at 4-11-2010 09:30
Hahah...guna sejarah bertulis pun takleh beza spacing antara meriam dengan panjang laras meriam...... |
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Reply 158# alphawolf
at least.. ape yg aku tulis.. BUKAN HASIL TEMBERANG ATOK AKU... hahahahahaaaa |
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Takpe uneks takpe.....hari ni hari kau.....
Takpe le temberang orang nyanyuk daripada salah tulis fakta tapi tak mengaku silap......
kalau atuk aku temberang...boleh gak aku kata 'ala atuk aku dah nyanyuk'...tapi kalau dah kata panjang meriam 500 meter...lepas tu berkeras kata betul padahal sumber sendiri kata panjang meriam 16.5 meter...nak guna alasan apa? |
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Post time 3-11-2010 03:59 PM
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