Is God comprise of One, Two Or Three. One God BUT TWO

sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-7-7 12:57 PM:
All ur fact proof u failed because u did not even produced much evidence accordingly to the Bible verses.

The verdict: U FAILED TO PROOF ONESS.

p/s:  ...

read.  where it says jesus is god?  

peace

Psalm 110 :: New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Psalm 110
The LORD Gives Dominion to the King.

A Psalm of David.
1
       (1) The LORD says to my Lord:
          "(2) Sit at My right hand
          Until I make (3) Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."
2
       The LORD will stretch forth Your strong (4) scepter from Zion, saying,
          "(5) Rule in the midst of Your enemies."
3
       Your (6) people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power;
          (7) In holy array, from the womb of the dawn,
          Your youth are to You as the (8) dew.
4
       (9) The LORD has sworn and will (10) not change His mind,
          "You are a (11) priest forever
          According to the order of Melchizedek."
5
       The Lord is (12) at Your right hand;
          He will (13) shatter kings in the (14) day of His wrath.
6
       He will (15) judge among the nations,
          He will fill them with (16) corpses,
          He will (17) shatter the chief men over a broad country.
7
       He will (18) drink from the brook by the wayside;
          Therefore He will (19) lift up His head.

Show cross-references

Matt 22:44; Mark 12:36; Luke 20:42, 43; Acts 2:34, 35; Heb 1:13
Matt 26:64; Eph 1:20; Col 3:1; Heb 1:3; 8:1; 10:12; 12:2
1 Cor 15:25; Eph 1:22
Ps 45:6; Jer 48:17; Ezek 19:14
Ps 2:9; 72:8; Dan 7:13, 14
Judg 5:2; Neh 11:2
1 Chr 16:29; Ps 96:9
2 Sam 17:12; Mic 5:7
Heb 7:21
Num 23:19
Zech 6:13; Heb 5:6, 10; 6:20; 7:17, 21
Ps 16:8; 109:31
Ps 68:14; 76:12
Ps 2:5, 12; Rom 2:5; Rev 6:17
Is 2:4; Joel 3:12; Mic 4:3
Is 66:24
Ps 68:21
Judg 7:5, 6
Ps 27:6

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sonny~~

where god says jesus is god?  me dont want hint.  me dont want assumptions.  jest HARDfact from the bible that god says jesus is god.  where?  

peace

Psalm 110:1 :: New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Psalm 110
The LORD Gives Dominion to the King.

A Psalm of David.
1
       (1) The LORD says to my Lord:
          "(2) Sit at My right hand
          Until I make (3) Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."

Show cross-references

Matt 22:44; Mark 12:36; Luke 20:42, 43; Acts 2:34, 35; Heb 1:13
Matt 26:64; Eph 1:20; Col 3:1; Heb 1:3; 8:1; 10:12; 12:2
1 Cor 15:25; Eph 1:22

sonny~~

Originally posted by Seraphim at 2004-7-7 01:37 PM:
Sonny boy..when i mentioned that one is not the "one" tha you think of..You lost in that ...

And you moved on trying to ask for proof that Jesus is god???

Sonny ...stop being a sore ...

me may have misread ur postin.  ok then, wot u mean by the ONE?  intelligent response now backed by HARDfacts from bible.  am waitin  

peace

Truth.8

Ur verses all proof TWONESS

Truth.8

Pg 16 (con'd)

David's son, Solomon, inspired with the wisdom of
God, wrote : " Fear the Lord and the king, my son, and do
not join with the rebellious, for THESE TWO will send
sudden destruction upon them, and who knows what
calamities they can bring ? " (Prov.24:21-22, N/V)

It is obvious Solomon was not writing about an earthly
king hut the Messianic King who is a joint-force with Ihe
Eternal God to bring destruction on evil-doers in the last
day.s(seePs.2:2-12,Rev,6:16-17).

Both  David and Solomon understood in some remote
way that Elohim consisted of TWO PERSONS !

The prophet Daniel, a man greatly loved by God
(Dan. 10:11), was given the privilege to see in vision the
existing members of the Godhead : " I was watching in the
night visions, and behold, one like the Son of Man, coming
with the clouds of heaven ! He came to the Ancient of Days
and they brought Him near before Him, .... .(Dan.7:13,
NIV). The Son of Man is Jesus Christ while the Ancient of
Days is God the Father!

Daniel saw TWO OF THEM !

About 500 years later, the first Christian martyr -
Stephen - was also given a vision showing the Members of
the God Family. He made this testimony : " Look ! I see the
heaven opened and the Son of Man standing at the right
hand of Godl'(NKJV)

Stephen saw TWO OF THEM !

The apostle John saw continuous visions in
Revelation, he first saw Christ, then God, then the Lamb
with God and from then onwards, he always saw TWO OF
THEM!


con't/......

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Truth.8

When Jesus the Man was on earth. He testified, " Why
do you call Me good ? No one is good but one, that is,
God" (Mark 10:18, NKJV). Jesus bore witness there was
ONE BEING in Heaven at the time of His sojourning on
earth. When the demons saw Jesus, they cried out, " We
know who You are - the Holy One of God." These
rebellious spirits recognized Jesus was the OTHER ONE
pre-existing with God. One plus one equals two ! There
were TWO BEINGS in the Godhead !

sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-7-7 04:42 PM:
Ur verses all proof TWONESS

liar.  all me cut n paste verses R proofs god is ONE N ONE ONLY, not 2 gods in 1 twoness god or 3 gods in 1 trinity god  :no:

sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-7-7 04:58 PM:
Pg 16 (con'd)

David's son, Solomon, inspired with the wisdom of
God, wrote : " Fear the Lord and the king, my son, and do
not join with the rebellious, for THESE TWO(WHERE ITS STATED THESE 2 INDEED R 2 GODS IN 1 TWONESS GOD?  WHERE?)

It is obvious Solomon was not writing about an earthly
king hut the Messianic King (NOT GOD) who is a joint-force with Ihe
Eternal God (GOD) to bring destruction on evil-doers in the last
day.s(seePs.2:2-12,Rev,6:16-17).

Both  David and Solomon understood in some remote
way that Elohim consisted of TWO PERSONS ! (WHERE 2 PERSONS IN 1 TWONESS PERSON OR 2 GODS IN 1 TWONESS GOD?  WHERE ITS STATED THAT IN BIBLE?  HAHHH?)

The prophet Daniel, a man greatly loved by God
(Dan. 10:11), was given the privilege to see in vision the
existing members of the Godhead : " I was watching in the
night visions, and behold, one like the Son of Man (NOT GOD), coming
with the clouds of heaven ! He came to the Ancient of Days
and they brought Him near before Him, .... .(Dan.7:13,
NIV). The Son of Man is Jesus Christ (NOT GOD) while the Ancient of
Days is God the Father! (GOD)

where god specifically says jesus is god?  where?  most often god says jesus is his son.  right?  n we're all his sons.  right?  ;)

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sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-7-7 05:07 PM:
When Jesus the Man was on earth. He testified, " Why
do you call Me good ? No one is good but one, that is,
God" (Mark 10:18, NKJV). Jesus bore witness there was
ONE BEING in H ...

When the demons saw Jesus, they cried out, " We
know who You are - the Holy One of God." These
rebellious spirits recognized Jesus was the OTHER ONE
pre-existing with God. One plus one equals two ! There
were TWO BEINGS in the Godhead !

now u wanna say u believe wot demons said to keep ur twoness belief intact.  right?

mark u demons say THE HOLY ONE OF GOD.  its liken to sayin JESUS, SON OF MARY OR JESUS, MARY'S SON.  right?  hence THE HOLY ONE OF GOD dont mean jesus is god, its GOD'S HOLY ONE.  stick to bible teachins per se.  dont make 2 n 2 assumptions  

peace

sonny~~

study the cut n pastes.  where god says jesus is god?  where?  :hmm:

" The LORD {Yahweh') says to My Lord {Adonai, i.e.
Master), ' Sit at My Right Hand until I make your enemies
a footstool for Your feel'" {NIV).

A Psalm of David.
1
       (1) The LORD says to my Lord:
          "(2) Sit at My right hand
          Until I make (3) Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."

Matthew 26
64   Jesus said to him, "(1) You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see (2) THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and (3) COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

sonny~~

wot u make of this?  adonai vs adoni  

peace

Restoration Fellowship
Adonai and Adoni (Psalm 110:1)

The Bible’s supreme proof text for telling the difference between the One God and the Messiah who is not God

This verse was referred to the Messiah by the Pharisees and by Jesus. It tells us that the relationship between God and Jesus is that of Deity and non-Deity. The Messiah is called adoni (my lord) and in every one of its 195 occurrences adoni (my lord) means a superior who is not God. Adonai on the other hand refers exclusively to the One God in all of its 449 occurrences. Adonai is the title of Deity and adoni never designates Deity.

If the Messiah were called Adonai this would introduce “two Gods” into the Bible and would be polytheism. Psalm 110:1 should guard us all against supposing that there are two who are God. In fact the Messiah is the supreme human being and agent of the One God. Psalm 110:1 is the Bible’s master text for defining the Son of God in relation to the One God, his Father.

Why is it that a number of commentaries misstate the facts about Psalm 110:1? They assert that the word for the Messiah in Psalm 110:1 is adonai. It is not. These commentaries seem to obscure a classic text defining God in relation to His Son. The Hebrew text assigns to the Messiah the title adoni which invariably distinguishes the one addressed from the Deity. The Messiah is the supreme human lord. He is not the Lord God (cp. I Tim. 2:5; I Cor. 8:4-6; Mark 12:28ff).

sonny~~

some more adonai vs adoni  :hmm:

Restoration Fellowship
Why is the Messiah called adoni (my lord) and never adonai (my Lord God)?

“Adonai and Adoni are variations of Masoretic pointing to distinguish divine reference from human.”

Adonai is referred to God but Adoni to human superiors.

Adoni — ref. to men: my lord, my master [see Ps. 110:1]   
Adonai — ref. to God…Lord (Brown, Driver, Briggs, Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, under adon [= lord]).

“The form ADONI (‘my lord’), a royal title (I Sam. 29:8), is to be carefully distinguished from the divine title ADONAI (‘my Lord’) used of Yahweh.” “ADONAI — the special plural form [the divine title] distinguishes it from adonai  [with short vowel] = my lords” (International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, “Lord,” p. 157).

“Lord in the OT is used to translate ADONAI when applied to the Divine Being. The [Hebrew] word…has a suffix [with special pointing] presumably for the sake of distinction…between divine and human appellative” (Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, “Lord,” Vol. 3, p. 137).

“Hebrew Adonai exclusively denotes the God of Israel. It is attested about 450 times in the OT…Adoni [is] addressed to human beings (Gen. 44:7, Num. 32:25, II Kings 2:19 [etc.]). We have to assume that the word adonai received its special form to distinguish it from the secular use of adon [i.e., adoni]. The reason why [God is addressed] as adonai, [with long vowel] instead of the normal adon, adoni or adonai [with short vowel] may have been to distinguish Yahweh from other gods and from human lords” (Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible, p. 531).

“The lengthening of the ā on Adonai [the Lord God] may be traced to the concern of the Masoretes to mark the word as sacred by a small external sign” (Theological Dictionary of the OT, “Adon,” p. 63 and Theological Dictionary of the NT, III, 1060ff. n.109).

“The form ‘to my lord,’ l’adoni, is never used in the OT as a divine reference…the generally accepted fact that the masoretic pointing distinguishes divine references (adonai) from human references (adoni)” (Wigram, The Englishman’s Hebrew and Chaldee Concordance of the OT, p. 22) (Herbert Bateman, &#8220salm 110:1 and the NT,” Bibliothecra Sacra, Oct.-Dec., 1992, p. 438).

sonny~~

unitarian christianity version  ;)

biblical unitarians
Psalm 110:1

The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet” (NIV)

Trinitarian commentators frequently argue that “my Lord” in this verse is the Hebrew word adonai, another name for God, and is therefore proof of the divinity of the Messiah.  But not only is this not a valid argument, this verse is actually one of the great proofs of the complete humanity of the promised Messiah.  The Hebrew word translated “my lord” is adoni (pronounced “Adon nee”5 ) in the standard Hebrew texts.  This word is always used in Scripture to describe human masters and lords, but never God.  Unfortunately, most Hebrew concordances and lexicons give only root words, not the word that actually occurs in the Hebrew text.  This is one reason why biblical research done by people using only tools such as a Strong’s Concordance will often be limited.6   While this usually does not affect the interpretation of the text, sometimes it makes a great deal of difference, such as in Psalm 110:1.   Focus on the Kingdom reports:

The Bible in Psalm 110:1 actually gives the Messiah the title that never describes God.  The word is adoni and in all of its 195 occurrences in the Old Testament it means a superior who is human (or occasionally angelic), created and not God.  So Psalm 110:1 presents the clearest evidence that the Messiah is not God, but a supremely exalted man.7

The difference between adon (the root word), adoni (“lord,” always used of men or angels) and adonai (which is used of God and sometimes written adonay) is critical to the understanding of Psalm 110:1.  The Hebrew Lexicon by Brown, Driver and Briggs (BDB), considered by many to be the best available, makes the distinction between these words.  Note how in BDB the word adoni refers to “lords” that are not God, while another word, adonai, refers to God: 8

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sonny~~

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(1) Reference to men: my lord, my master:  (adoni)

(a) master: Ex. 21:5 (Covenant code) Gen. 24:12+, 44:5 (J, 20t.), 1 Sam. 30:13 and 15; 2 Kings 5:3, 20 and 22; 6:15;

(b) husband: Gen. 18:12 (J);

(c) prophet: 1 Kings 18:7 and 13; 2 Kings 2:19; 4:16 and 28; 6:5; 8:5;

(d) prince: Gen. 42:10 (E), Gen. 23:6,11 and 15 (P), Gen 43:20; 44:18+ ; 47:18, + (J, 12t.); Judges. 4:18;

(e) king: 1 Sam. 22:12+ (S&K 75t.);

(f) father: Gen. 31:5 (E);

(g) Moses: Ex. 32:22; Num. 11:28; 12:11; 32:26 and 27 (J); Num. 36:2 (2x) (P);

(h) priest: 1 Sam. 1:15 and 26 (2x);

(i) theophanic angel [an angel representing God]:  Josh. 5:14; Judges. 6:13;

(j) captain: 2 Sam. 11:11;

(k) general recognition of superiority: Gen. 24:18; 32:5+; 33:8+; 44:7+ (J 13t.), Ruth 2:13; 1 Sam. 25:24+ (15t.).

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sonny~~

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2) Reference to God: [adonai]. Notice that when the word refers to God, it changes from when it refers to men.  The vowel under the “n” (the second letter from the left) has changed.9   

In the above definition, adoni and adonai have the same root, adon, which is the word listed in the concordances and most lexicons.  However, the exact words used are different.  Adoni, the word used in Psalm 110:1, is never used of God.  It is always used of a human or angelic superior.  The fact that the Hebrew text uses the word adoni of the Messiah in Psalm 110 is very strong proof that he is not God.  If the Messiah was to be God, then the word adonai would have been used.  This distinction between adoni (a lord) and adonai (the Lord, God) holds even when God shows up in human form.  In Genesis 18:3, Abraham addresses God who was “disguised” as a human, but the text uses adonai.

Scholars recognize that there is a distinction between the words adoni and adonai, and that these distinctions are important.   The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia notes:

The form ADONI (“my lord”), a royal title (1 Sam. 29:8), is to be carefully distinguished from the divine title ADONAI (“my Lord”) used of Yahweh. 10  

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Truth.8

arguing with u just useless when the Bible says TWO

when God :

Let US make
Prophet Daniel saw Two   
Revelation God Throne TWO
Last day judgment God punsihed human and that is Jesus. TWO

that proof that God is One BUT TWO. Jesus and Almighty Father is GOD.:pray:



I end my case

sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-7-8 11:33 AM:
arguing with u just useless when the Bible says TWO

when God :

Let US make
Prophet Daniel saw Two   
Revelation God Throne TWO
Last day judgment God punsihed human and that is Jes ...

:hmm:

friends of the nazarene
SUPPLEMENT 8
THE TWO PERSONS IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION
In the Book of Revelation, or Apocalypse, two primary Persons appear: God Almighty, or The God ( = the Absolute Being) and His Son, Jesus Christ the Lamb. Never, in Revelation, are Three Persons in One God revealed. Never in Revelation is the designation "Holy Spirit" used. Given the importance of the Book of Revelation to Christian theology it is very interesting the Trinity is not clearly revealed in this book which does so much unveiling.

The two most prominent Persons in Revelation are made clear in the first verse: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ which The God gave him." Here we have Jesus and The God (ho theos). Not once is Jesus called "God." Not once is anyone told to worship Jesus or the Lamb. A strong distinction is made between The God and the Lamb.

It is a fair question to ask a Trinitarian what one would mean by The God (ho theos) in Revelation? When the designation "The God" is met does this mean the Godhead with the Three Persons in union? Can one understand The God means The Trinity? Or, when The God occurs in the same breath with Jesus, or the Lamb, does The God take on a different meaning, now reduced by one-third to Two, the Father and the Holy Spirit? If so reduced by one-third, would not this prove The God there does not mean the Trinity of Three Persons in One God?

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sonny~~

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What follows are about one hundred occurrences of the designation "The God" (ho theos) and the related context with a brief commentary on each one.

01 Revelation 1.1 -- A revelation by Jesus Christ, which The God gave him

God gives Jesus something he did not possess before, a revelation.

02 Revelation 1:2 -- the word The God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave

Two different persons. Is The God here the Godhead of Three?

03 Revelation 1:6 -- priests to The God of [Jesus Christ]

Jesus Christ has a God, his Father, The God. No where are these "priests" of Jesus.

04 Revelation 1:8 -- "I am the Al'pha and the O穖e'ga," says LORD The God, "the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty."

The God is identified with YHWH of Ex 3.14 in the Jewish Greek Septuagint. The God is the Almighty. This later designation is never used of Jesus, or the Lamb. Nor is the phrase "the One who is" ever applied to Jesus in Revelation.

05 Revelation 1:9 -- for speaking about The God and bearing witness to Jesus.

Jesus is not The God and are clearly differentiated.

06 Revelation 2:7 -- To him that conquers I (Jesus) will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of The God.

The heavenly paradise is God’s though Jesus grants the victorious Saint to eat.

07 Revelation 2:18 -- the Son of The God

Does The God mean The Godhead of all three Persons? Then the Son is the result of the Triune Godhead. Clearly, the Son is not The God.

08 Revelation 3:1 -- These are the things that [the Son] says who has the seven spirits of The God

Though a Trinitarian would wish this a triune formula of the Son, The God, and the Spirit, actually there would be nine in all.

09 Revelation 3:2 -- before my The God

For the first time Jesus declares he has a God. He is to do this a total of five times. The God is the God of Jesus, the Lamb.

10 Revelation 3:12 -- "'The one that conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my (The) God (of me), and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my (The) God (of me) and the name of the city of my (The) God (of me), the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my (The) God (of me), and that new name of mine.

Four times Jesus, the Son of God, declares The God is his God. This raises the question do the Three Persons of the Godhead view one another as their own God? Does this not make for three Gods? Never in the Bible is the Spirit or the Son declared to be Gods of The God, the Father.

11 Revelation 3:14 -- the beginning of the creation by The God

Jesus is a creation, a creature brought into existence by The God as the King James Version declares at Col 1.15, "the firstborn of every creature." Trinitarians wish desperately to make this "the Origin (Originator) of the creation." If this be so, then was The God not the origin of creation as Jesus claims he was? If Three Persons were the Origin why is this not so stated? Why does the Son take the credit without mentioning the other Two?

12 Revelation 4:5 -- and [there are] seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, and these mean the seven spirits of The God.

These seven spirits are "lamps" which do not convey any idea of absoluteness. Some wish these seven to be a symbol for the Holy Spirit and yet the "seven spirits" occurs only four times (1.4; 3.1; 4.5; 5.6) and is never connected to the Holy Spirit which is completely missing in Revelation. The "seven spirits" may be those seven to the seven congregations; or, the seven Messianic attributes in Isaiah 11.1-4 LXX.

13 Revelation 4:8 -- And they have no rest day and night as they say: "Holy, holy, holy is LORD (YHWH) The God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is coming."

The God is the Almighty who draws His name from Ex 3.14 LXX. This One is clearly different from the Lamb.

14 Revelation 4:11 -- "You are worthy, LORD (YHWH), even our (The) God (of us), to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created."

Only The God is credited with creation. The God created "all things" which would include His own Son.

15 Revelation 5:6 -- seven eyes, which [eyes] mean the seven spirits of The God that have been sent forth into the whole earth.

The seven spirits are explained to be the "seven eyes" and not the Holy Spirit.

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SUMMARY: 1) The God is identified as the Almighty, the Creator, the Father, the Alpha and Omega, and The One Who Is, always the object of worship; 2) Jesus is identified as the Lamb, the Son of Man, the Logos of The God, the Son, the firstborn of the dead, the beginning of God’s creation. The Son is never worshipped, and in most of the contexts of The God is omitted. 3) the Holy Spirit is completely absent. There is no Triune "formula" in Revelation. The number "three" occurs less than a dozen times and is never linked in some mystical manner with The God or some combination of God, the Son, and the spirit. Revelation is a Unitarian book.

sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-7-8 11:33 AM:
arguing with u just useless when the Bible says TWO

when God :

Let US make
Prophet Daniel saw Two   
Revelation God Throne TWO
Last day judgment God punsihed human and that is Jes ...

:hmm:
Last Judgment, Day of the Lord
General Information
The concept of a final judgment on humankind at the end of history is found in Judaism and Christianity, Islam, and Zoroastrianism. It holds an important place in Judaic tradition, in which God's judgment is regarded as operative both within history and at its end. The consummation of history is called the Day of the Lord, which is a day of judgment upon all who are unfaithful to God.

Christian Eschatology owes much to this Hebrew tradition. The New Testament freely employs the language and imagery of Jewish Apocalyptic Literature. It affirms the expectation that (in the language of the historic creeds) Christ "will come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead." Many different interpretations of the meaning of this affirmation have been offered and, in particular, of the symbolic language employed in the New Testament to describe the indescribable. But there is little doubt that the apostolic writers believed in the Second Coming of Christ and the Great Judgment Day as a manifestation of Christ's eternal victory.

Charles W. Ranson

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