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Post time 19-10-2008 12:15 PM | Show all posts |Read mode

EFV


AAV (Amphibious Assault Vehicle)

Kenderaan Amfibia Baru Kor Marin Amerika. Akan digunakan menjelang 2011 bagi menggantikan AAV yang agak perlahan dari segi mobiliti pendaratan amfibia. Kenderaan ini juga menyokong  strategi Kor Marin iaitu "Over The Horizon".

Over The Horizon -燬trategi燿imana Kor Marin Amerika akan爉emulakan爋perasi爌endaratan燼mfibia燿ari爑fuk爈angit燽agi爉enghalang爌ersediaan爉usuh燿i爐epi pantai.
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Post time 19-10-2008 05:07 PM | Show all posts
serang dr arah pantai, ?  asalkan pantai tu takde artileri pertahanan pantai macam iskander m ngan rbs, klu ada bersiap sedia je la kapal pengangkut tu kena bedil.
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Post time 19-10-2008 05:10 PM | Show all posts
klu tak silap aku kenderaan ni guna pendorong air kan berbanding yg lama, masalahnya tak bising ke sistem ni bila menghampiri pantai.

rasa rasa kau apa yg blh menyebabkan pendaratan dr arah pantai digagalkan?
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Post time 20-10-2008 03:50 PM | Show all posts
Yg nei lebih laju dr LVV7
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Post time 22-10-2008 10:55 PM | Show all posts
sapa kat tgk EFV nih kat rancangan Futureweapons, musti terpikat punyalah.

best kan?

cuba baca ni pulak...

Problems Stall Pentagon's New Fighting Vehicle
Costly Amphibious System Not Meeting Expectations


By Renae Merle
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 7, 2007; A01

After 10 years and $1.7 billion, this is what the Marines Corps got for its investment in a new amphibious vehicle: A craft that breaks down about an average of once every 4 1/2 hours, leaks and sometimes veers off course.

And for that, the contractor, General Dynamics of Falls Church, received $80 million in bonuses.

The amphibious vehicle, which can be launched from a ship and then driven on land, is so unreliable that the Pentagon is ditching plans to begin building the first of more than 1,000 and wants to start over with seven new prototypes, which will take nearly two years to deliver, at a cost of $22 million each.

The Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle is one of the Pentagon's largest weapons programs and exemplifies the agency's struggle to afford a cadre of new mega-systems that are larger and more complex, but also more trouble, than their predecessors.

Despite reforms meant to rein in costs, it is not unusual for weapons programs to go 20 to 50 percent over budget, the Government Accountability Office recently found. Among the offenders is the Army's sprawling modernization program, which aims to update everything from tanks to drones and is now expected to cost $160 billion, up from $90 billion, and a Lockheed Martin missile-warning satellite program, which is projected to cost more than $10 billion, up from $4 billion.

The Marines' troubled program is on a collision course with critics who are wary of its growing price tag and who wonder about the utility of an amphibious vehicle meant to storm beaches in a way the military hasn't done for decades, at a time when soldiers are consumed with urban warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Marines, though, have not been dissuaded by the vehicle's poor showing in tests, as such fits and starts are common in military development programs.

"We were disappointed. We weren't shocked," program manager Col. John Bryant said.

The cost of the amphibious vehicle effort has increased 50 percent, to about $12 billion from $8 billion, with another cost bump projected after the program is relaunched.

The overruns are eating away at the Pentagon's buying power but not its appetite. The amount the Pentagon plans to spend on major weapons systems has doubled in the past five years, to $1.4 trillion from $700 billion, according to the GAO.

"I would never state, in an enterprise this large, that we ever have it all under control," Kenneth Krieg, the Pentagon's acquisition chief, said in a December interview. "I think we're on a good path and only performance will prove that, and that's what we got to do."

When it was launched in 1996, the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle was promoted as an example of acquisition reform as hundreds of General Dynamics and Marine Corps officials moved into the same 62,000-square-foot office building in Woodbridge to run the program, in hopes of saving time and money. The program's efforts to keep maintenance costs low won plaudits from Defense leaders and twice earned the program the Pentagon's highest acquisition award, in 1997 and 1999. In 2001, the program collected an innovation award for developing a system to keep the craft's internal components from overheating, a technology that has been adopted for other weapons.

But the program has struggled with repeated delays, cost increases, budget cuts and dashed expectations, according to military officials and government reports. Problems range from leaks in hydraulics systems to software glitches, according to the reports. Last year, the vehicles completed just two of 14 planned tests.

"They started out really well, and I was really pleased," said Philip Coyle, the Defense Department's former director of operational test and evaluation. "But gradually the complexity of the program has overcome the contractor, so they are years behind schedule."

General Dynamics defends its progress, noting that the vehicle has met many goals, including being able to reach speeds of 30 knots on the water. The vehicle is fast enough to keep up with the Abrams tank on land, it can carry 17 Marines, and its systems can communicate with other ships and tanks, all key performance criteria, the company says.

"I have heard no one in leadership say that they don't need this capability, that they don't want this capability," said Peter Keating, a General Dynamics spokesman.

An independent review released in December by the Navy's acquisition office questioned the company's commitment to solving the development problems that plagued the vehicle. The report said General Dynamics appeared more interested in starting production than trouble-shooting and didn't manage the groups making many of the decisions. The production phase is typically more profitable for a contractor and often marks a point at which a program becomes more difficult to cancel.

General Dynamics "seems to be focused on production rather than on solving significant design and engineering problems," the Navy report said. "This must be changed if the Program is to move ahead successfully."

Noting that the bonuses the company received did not reflect the vehicle's performance, the report recommends that the Defense Contract Management Agency consider recovering some of the award fees. A DCMA spokesman said the agency had not addressed the issue because it was unaware of the recommendation.

The Marine Corps has tried to deal with some of its development problems by lowering its expectations for the vehicle. The service originally wanted a craft that could operate 70 hours between major breakdowns, but it cut that target to 43.5 hours after tests revealed the vehicles were struggling to meet the higher goal.

But even the lower targets have been hard to hit. Marine Corps officials were distressed to discover that the prototypes encountered an "operational mission failure" on average every 4.5 hours in tests last year. There were 645 failures within the subsystems, overwhelming the three-man maintenance crew, according to a report by the service's testing agency.

"It's a very complex vehicle; when it breaks, it's difficult to repair," said Col. Michael Bohn, director of the Marine Corps testing agency.

General Dynamics has also struggled with the vessel's complicated software. During testing, the software operating the guns didn't always fire on command, for example. Some of the problems date to 2001, when responsibility for software development was given to a General Dynamics division with little track record of running such a complex project, according to the GAO. The Marine Corps gave the company a year to improve the division's capabilities, the report said. When it failed to meet the deadline, the company was granted an extension. Eventually, the Marine Corps turned 70 percent of the work to a government organization.

"From a taxpayer standpoint, I think, 'Gee, didn't we pay GD to do this?,' " said Paul L. Francis, the GAO's director of acquisition and sourcing management. "Are they going to pay us for doing it for them?"

Keating, the General Dynamics spokesman, said the company is confident it can meet the Marine Corps' demands. He noted that the service had asked the firm to establish a new software-development organization and that such organizations often take several years to mature. "We started from ground zero," he said.

Now, the Marine Corps is ready to start over. The service is to present a plan to salvage the program to Defense leaders in March. In addition to buying seven new prototypes, the Marine Corps proposal will probably require at least a two- or three-year delay, adding $200 million in development costs a year, said Bryant, the Marines program manager.

The service will seek to simplify the design, "getting rid of the complexity where we don't need complexity," he said.

Noting that his son was a Navy combat corpsman in a battalion using the aging amphibious vehicles that were supposed to be replaced by now, Bryant added: "I need to fix our reliability and make the EFV a vehicle I'd be proud to hand to my own son."
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Post time 22-10-2008 11:06 PM | Show all posts

Balas #5 tin\ catat

wa tertarik la dgn bahagian artikel nih

After 10 years and $1.7 billion, this is what the Marines Corps got for its investment in a new amphibious vehicle: A craft that breaks down about an average of once every 4 1/2 hours, leaks and sometimes veers off course.

And for that, the contractor, General Dynamics of Falls Church, received $80 million in bonuses.

The Marines, though, have not been dissuaded by the vehicle's poor showing in tests, as such fits and starts are common in military development programs.

"We were disappointed. We weren't shocked," program manager Col. John Bryant said.


kat US, kos meningkat mendadak dan harga yang tinggi bagi depa satu perkara biasa ek?

bayangkan, dah belanja USD$1.5 bilion pastu dapat bonus lagi USD$80 juta dan cuma dpt hasilkan prototaip yang tah hapah2 pon dianggap sesuatu yg tidak mengejutkan.

kalo kat negara kita, mahal sket pon dah bising satu negara.

kalo la kompeni tempatan dah belanja USD$1.5 bilion pastu gomen kasik bonus lagi USD$80 juta, jangankan uncle lim, uncle karpal pon bising jugaaa...
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Post time 23-10-2008 09:17 AM | Show all posts

Reply #2 hyazinth79's post

Itu pasal konsep baru depa OTH...semua LPH/LHA/LHD/LST/LSD akan lepak luar garis pantai i.e beyond range typical coastal defences. Dan unit2 pendarat akan bergerak pantas menuju ke darat dengan LCAC dan EFV ni...at least on paper la!
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 Author| Post time 25-10-2008 01:01 PM | Show all posts

Reply #7 alphawolf's post

Mod u rasa konsep serangan amfibia ni sesuai ke skg nih. US Marines pon skg dier buat pon sebab tradisi jer kan. cam anggota us airborne ler dier orang jump pon kat kaw. yang  dah clear dari musuh x spt kat Normandy Beach dulu.
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 Author| Post time 25-10-2008 01:08 PM | Show all posts


EFV Part 1



EFV Part 2
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Post time 25-10-2008 05:09 PM | Show all posts

Balas #9 DarkHorseNo.Six\ catat

mcm wa cakap laaa...

kalo tengok dlm rancangan nih, musti terpikat punya lah...
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 Author| Post time 26-10-2008 11:57 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by tin at 25-10-2008 05:09 PM
mcm wa cakap laaa...

kalo tengok dlm rancangan nih, musti terpikat punya lah...



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Post time 26-10-2008 07:00 PM | Show all posts

Balas #11 DarkHorseNo.Six\ catat

itu namanya pembaharuan yg murah mengikut peruntukan yg ada, yg gov boleh tanggung sebab tak besar belanjanya.
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Post time 26-10-2008 07:05 PM | Show all posts
kenderaan ni macam membazir , je aku tengok, pertama hanya boleh diguna kat kawasan dekat pantai sebaik shj masuk area pendalaman ngan bandar dah jadi mengarut.

lagipun serangan dari arah pantai terlampau berisiko sangat, aku tak fikir ada kapal perang penangkut yg berani berlabuh dekat ngan pantai yg ada sistem anti kapal
tengok apa yg terjadi kat kapal israel aritu.

lagipun amerika ni semuanya hebat kat tv, tengok ajelah apache tu, boleh kesan itik terbang konon dr jarak bbrp kilometer, habis yg kena hambat kat iarq dulu bukan dia, nak dekat dua skuadron lak tu, takde lak tunjuk kat tv.
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Post time 27-10-2008 07:03 PM | Show all posts

Balas #13 hyazinth79\ catat

heheh..tapi kena bagi credit juga bro...

walaupon kena hambat tapi berapa jer yang jatuh atau actual kill...

at lease anggota dia tak ramai yang mati....

kira heli tu capai tahap apa yg dorang ekspek la..heheheh
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Post time 27-10-2008 09:01 PM | Show all posts
tp kn lawak la US ni ..
Ckap Apache diorg gempak tp alih2 emergency landing gak...
sbab aper.. sbab kna fire ngan farmer jer pn bkn askar y tmbak.. hahhaha
klo xslap ak die pkai AK47 jek.. hahahah
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Post time 28-10-2008 06:56 AM | Show all posts

Balas #15 tok_rimau87\ catat

hehehe...

itu citer propaganda laaa...

dptkan citer sebenar dulu...
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Post time 28-10-2008 09:21 AM | Show all posts

Reply #8 DarkHorseNo.Six's post

Senang aje..masih perlu. Sebab amphibious landing boleh masukkan semaksimum mungkin anggota, kelengkapan dan bekalan dalam seminima masa.
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Post time 29-10-2008 07:43 AM | Show all posts

hh

walau apapun jangan pandang rendah keupayaan Apache... Mungkin dalam sesetengah doktrin ianya tiadak sesuai tapi kalau kena strategi... habis kita..

'' bab kata pepatah lama jangan pandang rendah keupayaan musuh"
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Post time 29-10-2008 08:14 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by hyazinth79 at 26-10-2008 19:05 agipun serangan dari arah pantai terlampau berisiko sangat, aku tak fikir ada kapal perang penangkut yg berani berlabuh dekat ngan pantai yg ada sistem anti kapal
tengok apa yg terjadi kat kapal israel aritu.


Tu pasal depa buat EFV tu.....
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Post time 29-10-2008 10:22 AM | Show all posts
kalau kita nak beli pure amphibious vehicles ni kapal mana nak angkut dan task force mana nak protect? bagi aku setakat boleh swim pun cukup, boleh buat manouver melencong medan perang pun dah cukup bagus..
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