I know Hinduism is good faith if one were to study the scriptures, but good faith and religion now turning to corrupt element with corrupt hands of peoples.
Carrying big kavadis or pulling chariots with hooks attached to the back body ....hmmm just show off...
There is no point carrying big kavadis or to pulling chariots.
Worst they behave like gods or goddess....this is not a right way...I have seen a lady behave like goddess aman, showing her tongue
and etc...Is this show off or gimmick? As for me, I don’t think God has possessed their body....because such behaviours look very strange
comes from un know spirit....
If one look the way carrying kavadis, one might think does comes from Supreme?
Does God urge them to do this? Did not GOD concerned about cleanness? So, does this come from different spirit that went into their minds??
God wont behave in form of jumping, shouting and hysterics...this not only giving bad name but also some Hindus will feels Hinduism is
not a true faith...this leads them to convert to Islam and Christian or Buddhism..
Does GOD really want his creations to torture the physical body to reach to GOD? this question should ask by the Hindus...As for me,
one should humble to reach Supreme ...
If devotees feels their vows has been fulfilled, than devotee should live humble life, honest, sincere, kind to all creations,
attached to GOD , fasting and etc....I believed by doing so, this will surly please GOD....
Truth.8 posted on 30-1-2014 12:00 PM
what make you think my comments hurt ur feelings???
I didn't report you because you hurt my feelings. Frankly speaking, I couldn't care less about any crap which comes out of your mouth. I have reported you because you have insulted Hinduism. And don't ask me where. I do not need to answer your questions if you are too stupid to know what you said.
Sephiroth posted on 30-1-2014 03:43 PM
I didn't report you because you hurt my feelings. Frankly speaking, I couldn't care less about any ...
I didn't report you because you hurt my feelings. Frankly speaking, I couldn't care less about any crap which comes out of your mouth. I have reported you because you have insulted Hinduism. And don't ask me where. I do not need to answer your questions if you are too stupid to know what you said.
talking about insult? u ? u have insult my faith about jesus and islam....so image urself b4 u call others insult.
anyway, show me a veses in you holy book says is must to carry kavadi or poke object in the body....
if not, dont call it insult rather ur faith already been corrupted....if you cannot prove that, it consider ur stupid moron....and if u cannot provide the proof according to the scriputres that carrying kavadis or insert sharp object in body is act of faith, than hindus need to ask :
did I insult hindu religion which go against hindu teachings which the scriputres did not mention abt kavadis and etc.... Last edited by Truth.8 on 3-2-2014 10:50 AM
Another report to the lazy moderators. Are they still alive? This is why I don't like the idea of having lazy Muslims as moderators. They are incapable of doing anything useful.
At the present time none hindus can proof according to Hindu scriptures that the kavadi, walking in fire, poking sharp object in body is act of faith according to Hindu scriptures. why silent???
Now who have insult hindusim? Please ponder
As for Madam Sepi , I will give one week to proof such act is according to hindus scriptures. If madam sepi failed to proof, she got two options :
1). humbly with sincere heart should apologize and should goes back to original teachings of hindusim.
Than her bad karma will never take place to born as cowdung.
2). If madam sepi still sturborn and refuse to admit her mistake, than your next birth will be made as cowdung to fertilize plants for nourishment for certain years , die again...become cowdung again . the final birth will be serve to poor peoples in india where you be mix with cowdung and soild to make shelter for very poor peoples in india.....until you dry and fall out and made as final cowdung for agni puja to praise the ONE Supreme beings in universe...than your souls get liberation with no next birth while burning out madam sepi beings cowdung in the agni puja ...
Time is clicking to madam...she still not responding.
In mean time, watch another video here. I would urge the hindus to think. does GOD would do such act when goes to human body or mind??? have you watch movie how a human body possessed by unclean spirit when the victim behave strange? take my writings as positive manner to think not other way round...
Those who practice severe austerities without following the scriptures, with hypocrisy and egotism, impelled by lust, and attachment; (17.05)
Senselessly torturing the elements in their body and also Me who dwell within the body; know these ignorant persons to be of demonic nature. (17.06)
These methods of torturing oneself thinking that it would please God is not found in authoritative scriptures within Hinduism. Still, it is prevalent in Hinduism & done in one or the other form by the devotees. And it is not limited to only Murugan Bhaktas. This can be seen by worshippers of Devis in many villages to please the goddess. To some extent like going to a long distance to the place of worship all rolling over the floor can be seen during Chhath festivals (worshipping Sun God) too. Many Kaavanriyas (called Daak Bams) run for miles for 24 hours non-stop carrying water to offer the same to Lord Shiva in Baijnaath Dhaam.There are also some Tantriks who specialise in warding off evils etc. indulge in showing off such miracles with their siddhi. You may also find people in trance dancing with burning fire in their hands while they are not affected by the fire (worshippers of some particular Deva) etc. etc.
It is not that whatever is done by the devotees to please their deities, is sanctioned in authoritative scriptures. No, these people, most of the times, are not aware of whatever is written in scriptures.
People do this mostly for getting some sort of boon from the deity like getting a son, getting free from a certain disease, getting wealth, getting a good bridegroom for their daughters etc. etc. in the hope that their penance will melt the heart of the deity & the desired boon will be granted.
Question? does those (spirit) comes from GOD or different spirit who misleads the humans?
U judge yourself Last edited by Truth.8 on 6-2-2014 06:12 PM
Truth.8 posted on 6-2-2014 10:41 AM
These methods of torturing oneself thinking that it would please God is not found in authoritative s ...
Hindus are required to open their eyes from now that what they doing is not act of faith to please the Supreme rather is total mistake. Hence, they should repent and goes back to the original teachings of Holy book which is Bhagavad Gita. One should not pray to multiply gods or demi gods....nor idols, pictures as God says in scriptures:
Consider the following verse from the Gita:
"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]
The Gita states that people who are materialistic worship demigods i.e.
Truth.8 posted on 11-2-2014 03:29 PM
Hindus are required to open their eyes from now that what they doing is not act of faith to plea ...
He is One only without a second."
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
"Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."
"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:
"Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."
"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4
1[The Principal Upanishad by S. Radhakrishnan page 447 and 448]
[Sacred Books of the East, volume 1
Arjuna said: What is the state of devotion of those who perform spiritual practices with faith but without following the scriptural injunctions, O Krishna? Is it Saattvika, Raajasika, or Taamasika? (17.01)
The Supreme Lord said: The natural faith of embodied beings is of three types: Saattvika, Raajasika, and Taamasika. Hear that from Me. (17.02)
O Arjuna, the faith of each is in accordance with one’s own nature or Sanskaara. A person is known by the faith. One can become whatever one wants to be (if one constantly contemplates on the object of desire with faith). (17.03)
The Saattvika persons worship Devas, the Raajasika people worship demigods and demons, and the Taamasika persons worship ghosts and spirits. (17.04)
Those who practice severe austerities without following the scriptures, with hypocrisy and egotism, impelled by lust, and attachment; (17.05)
Senselessly torturing the elements in their body and also Me who dwell within the body; know these ignorant persons to be of demonic nature. (17.06)
The food preferred by all is also of three types. So are the sacrifice, austerity, and charity. Now hear the distinction between them. (17.07)
I have to explain that Kaavadi is actually a method by Saint Idumban to Lord Murugha on Hills...last time because the temples are placed at hills and mountain thus...it is difficult to bring those abishega materials by hands...thus...they have built structures to make it as a tool to place the materials and easier to carry upon climb the hills... thus...it is known till now as Kaavadi. But sad to see...nowadays Hindus themselves doesnt know the real meaning of it because dont have proper guidance since school age or religious knowledge even a little... I m sad to say this but it is a fact where people bringing football club kavadi and so on...as they wish...and not following the bakthi that suppose to be... Hari Aum..
kirhmuru posted on 13-2-2014 03:27 PM
I have to explain that Kaavadi is actually a method by Saint Idumban to Lord Murugha on Hills...last ...
I have to explain that Kaavadi is actually a method by Saint Idumban to Lord Murugha on Hills...last time because the temples are placed at hills and mountain thus...it is difficult to bring those abishega materials by hands...thus...they have built structures to make it as a tool to place the materials and easier to carry upon climb the hills... thus...it is known till now as Kaavadi. But sad to see...nowadays Hindus themselves doesnt know the real meaning of it because dont have proper guidance since school age or religious knowledge even a little... I m sad to say this but it is a fact where people bringing football club kavadi and so on...as they wish...and not following the bakthi that suppose to be... Hari Aum..
Thanks for the information.
Now, in the holy scriptures clearly it stated God is ONE . One cannot see supreme beings. as the murugan issue here....clearly is part of demi gods.
Bhagava Gita is holy book for hindus...why is so many mis leadings by the hindus?
The tamilan hindus for i know, they are good with words to misleads....
I have visited Varanasi, Ayothaya, Bodhgaya, Vaitheeswaran (nadi reading) ....all this places has been corrupted by hindu priest ....only Bodhgaya still ok when i visited.
Taking milk pot ...I think this is ok as they behave sound minded manner....but toturing body with object...this surly behaving like demonic which i view is not from Supreme rather cunning / unclean spirits that went into the mind of this peoples....
This need to be put stop as soon as possible...
Things to ponder:
“Endowed with such a faith, he endeavors to worshipa particular demigod and obtains his desires. But in actuality these benefitsare bestowed by Me alone.” (Bhagavad Gita 7:22.)
“The demigods cannot award benedictions to theirdevotees without the permission of the Supreme Lord. The living entitymay forget that everything is the property of the Supreme Lord, but thedemigods do not forget. So the worship of demigods and achievement of desiredresults are due not to the demigods but to the Supreme Personality of Godhead,by arrangement. The less intelligent living entity does not know this,and therefore he foolishly goes to the demigods for some benefit. But thepure devotee, when in need of something, prays only to the Supreme Lord.Asking for material benefit, however, is not a sign of a pure devotee.A living entity goes to the demigods usually because he is mad to fulfillhis lust. This happens when something undue is desired by the living entityand the Lord Himself does not fulfill the desire. In the Caitanya-caritämåtait is said that one who worships the Supreme Lord and at the same time desires material enjoyment is contradictory in his desires. Devotional service to the Supreme Lord and the worship of a demigod cannot be on the same platform, because worship of a demigod is material and devotional service to the Supreme Lord is completely spiritual.
For the living entity who desires to return toGodhead, material desires are impediments. A pure devotee of the Lord istherefore not awarded the material benefits desired by less intelligentliving entities, who therefore prefer to worship demigods of the materialworld rather than engage in the devotional service of the Supreme Lord.”(A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Bhagavad Gita As It Is 7:22.Purport.)
“Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet.” (Bhagavad Gita 7:23.)
Think.... Last edited by Truth.8 on 13-2-2014 05:26 PM
Truth.8 posted on 13-2-2014 05:25 PM
“Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those ...
The devas (devotees, rishis, nara-uttamams,etc.) among the Mukti Yogyas may attain release from this world after becomingfully attributed with Divine qualities. However, the same Mukti Yogya devoteessometimes make mistakes, become egocentric, fall prey to the whims of theirsenses and become illusioned - then what to speak of us?
If one mistakenly temps a minister / guard andcauses or invokes him to deviantly arrange for more provisions, facility,or even escape without sanction of the governor, then sometimes both arereprimanded into further bondage. Even in the case of a deva, to set anexample. Although what you or I could tempt someone in the higher regionsof the universe with is beyond my comprehension. Thus Bhagavad Gita describessuch persons as less intelligent (B.G. 7:23.), for they cannot discriminateas to who is God and who is servant - or the often used example; who isking and who is minister, and who is chauffeur, etc.
kämais tais tair håta-jïänäù
prapadyante ’nya-devatäù
taà taà niyamam ästhäya
prakåtyä niyatäù svayä
“Those whose intelligence has been stolen by materialdesires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulationsof worship according to their own natures.” (Bhagavad Gita 7:20.)
Most people approach the devas because they aredesirous of some material boon.
“Both the living entity and the demigods are subordinateto the will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore the livingentity cannot worship the demigod by his own desire, nor can the demigodbestow any benediction without the supreme will. As it is said, not a bladeof grass moves without the will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.Generally, persons who are distressed in the material world go to the demigods,as they are advised in the Vedic literature. A person wanting some particularthing may worship such and such a demigod. For example, a diseased personis recommended to worship the sun-god; a person wanting education may worshipthe goddess of learning, Sarasvaté; and a person wanting a beautifulwife may worship the goddess Umä, the wife of Lord Çiva. Inthis way there are recommendations in the çästras (Vedic scriptures)for different modes of worship of different demigods. And because a particularliving entity wants to enjoy a particular material facility, the Lord inspireshim with a strong desire to achieve that benediction from that particulardemigod, and so he successfully receives the benediction. The particularmode of the devotional attitude of the living entity toward a particulartype of demigod is also arranged by the Supreme Lord. The demigods cannotinfuse the living entities with such an affinity, but because He is theSupreme Lord, or the Supersoul who is present in the hearts of all livingentities, Kåñëa gives impetus to man to worship certaindemigods. The demigods are actually different parts of the universal bodyof the Supreme Lord; therefore they have no independence. In the Vedicliterature it is stated: “The Supreme Personality of Godhead as Supersoulis also present within the heart of the demigod; therefore He arrangesthrough the demigod to fulfill the desire of the living entity. But both the demigod and the living entity are dependent on the supreme will. Theyare not independent.” (Bhagavad Gita 7:21. Purport extract.)
The verses above clearly stated the highest is Supreme GOD Head....Hence, the hindus should worshipped and pray to one and only Supreme not to multi demi gods.....
Worshipping Supreme without idols, pictures, object any kinds.
The following verses clearly mentioned that the living entities and demi gods depend on Supreme. It humans choice to follow . if they choose to follow and worshiped demi gods....it is their choice but knowing the Supreme is in charge of all living things , it makes common sense that one should surrender to highest which is Supreme.
For example, the Bible too mentioned about angles....angles provide message and etc to living entities...does it mean we need to worshiped angles? NO... similar to demi gods....or kind of angles i could says...
here is the verses from the Bible when angles told :
King James Bible
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Revelation 19:10
Angles are given task to look after the earth and humans...this task come from highest which is Supreme...
Vishnu among Hindus, is that of a God who has four arms, with one of the right arms holding the Chakra, i.e. a discus and one of the left arms holding a ‘conch shell’, or riding a bird or reclining on a snake couch.
As mentioned earlier this also goes against Svetasvatara Upanishad Chapter 4 verse 19.
"Na tasya pratima asti"
"There is no likeness of Him"
The following verse from the Rigveda Book 8, hymn 1, verse 1 refer to the Unity and Glory of the Supreme Being:
"Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata"
"O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone."
[Rigveda 8:1:1]10
"Devasya samituk parishtutih"
"Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
[Rigveda 5:1:81]11
Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 7.21
yo yo yāḿ yāḿ tanuḿ bhaktaḥ
śraddhayārcitum icchati
tasya tasyācalāḿ śraddhāḿ
tām eva vidadhāmy aham
SYNONYMS
yaḥ yaḥ — whoever; yām yām — whichever; tanum — form of a demigod; bhaktaḥ — devotee; śraddhayā — with faith; arcitum — to worship; icchati — desires; tasya tasya — to him; acalām — steady; śraddhām — faith; tām — that; eva — surely; vidadhāmi — give; aham — I.
TRANSLATION
I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship some demigod, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to that particular deity.
PURPORT
God has given independence to everyone; therefore, if a person desires to have material enjoyment and wants very sincerely to have such facilities from the material demigods, the Supreme Lord, as Supersoul in everyone's heart, understands and gives facilities to such persons. As the supreme father of all living entities, He does not interfere with their independence, but gives all facilities so that they can fulfill their material desires. Some may ask why the all-powerful God gives facilities to the living entities for enjoying this material world and so lets them fall into the trap of the illusory energy. The answer is that if the Supreme Lord as Supersoul does not give such facilities, then there is no meaning to independence. Therefore He gives everyone full independence — whatever one likes — but His ultimate instruction we find in the Bhagavad-gītā: one should give up all other engagements and fully surrender unto Him. That will make man happy.
Both the living entity and the demigods are subordinate to the will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore the living entity cannot worship the demigod by his own desire, nor can the demigod bestow any benediction without the supreme will. As it is said, not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Generally, persons who are distressed in the material world go to the demigods, as they are advised in the Vedic literature. A person wanting some particular thing may worship such and such a demigod. For example, a diseased person is recommended to worship the sun-god; a person wanting education may worship the goddess of learning, Sarasvatī; and a person wanting a beautiful wife may worship the goddess Umā, the wife of Lord Śiva. In this way there are recommendations in the śāstras (Vedic scriptures) for different modes of worship of different demigods. And because a particular living entity wants to enjoy a particular material facility, the Lord inspires him with a strong desire to achieve that benediction from that particular demigod, and so he successfully receives the benediction. The particular mode of the devotional attitude of the living entity toward a particular type of demigod is also arranged by the Supreme Lord. The demigods cannot infuse the living entities with such an affinity, but because He is the Supreme Lord, or the Supersoul who is present in the hearts of all living entities, Kṛṣṇa gives impetus to man to worship certain demigods. The demigods are actually different parts of the universal body of the Supreme Lord; therefore they have no independence. In the Vedic literature it is stated: "The Supreme Personality of Godhead as Supersoul is also present within the heart of the demigod; therefore He arranges through the demigod to fulfill the desire of the living entity. But both the demigod and the living entity are dependent on the supreme will. They are not independent." Last edited by Truth.8 on 21-2-2014 07:30 PM
Who are this demi gods? The Hindus scriptures did not clearly mention about the names of these demi gods. The Hindus came with many names to call demi gods and goddess. Such as:
goddess of wealth ; laksmi
goddess of knowledge : saraswathy
ganesan
muniandy : samsu or alcohol drinking god with cigar
and list goes on
Yet not a single names or the function of this demi god names mention in any scriptures...
The corrupt hands of humans have polluted the Hindus Holy Scriptures...to name them as demi god but there is no proof to this..
Humans are easily tempt by unclean spirit such as demon , devil and etc. this unclean spirit will impersonate as god to misleads humans mind...
If watch the thaipusam festival, you could see how this hindus possessed some kind of spirits which going bizzard behaviors ..shaking and etc.....is that from Divine spirit who does that : tounge coming out, smoking cigar , fire walking? surly no lah...the devil love to put up a great show to misleads humans so that humans will obey and surrender their souls to this unclean spirit...yes, they do wonders and unimaginable things ....
one video caught my eyes, the worshipper of muniandy...this devotees of muniandy will goes in trance...smoking cigar, carrying 'tongkat' and eating eggs....does this act came from demi gods??? or they doing it because need attention?
Does this support in any Hindu scriptures ? if not, than the hindus themselves have insulted their own faith which looks stupid …
Watch the video and you judge yourself
Senselessly torturing the elements in their body and also Me who dwell within the body; know these ignorant persons to be of demonic nature. (17.06)
hinduism is one laughing stock la...hahaha....if thats really a god, why not that god givethem all money?? everywhere i see only the god will do a stupid dance..and a cigar..the tongue out like a dog..piercing here and there...what is all this? self abuse is it? that the god will see what u doing?? seriously guys..open ur eyes..this is like a ultraman and power rangers story la..- brad pithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9HSQHe19TM
Why is this dog.8 still here insulting Hinduism when I have reported him countless times? Who is the Admin here? I'm quite sure the moderator is incapable of handling this dog and its barking.
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