Amalan berpuasa orang Islam - Tak berguna menurut Bhavagad Gita

Sephiroth

When self-control is incorrectly performed by a dull person and results simply in self-torture for the person who is trying to restrain himself, or when it is performed for the sake of causing injury to another person, then this self-control leads to nowhere but into sheer darkness and further along the path of the Tamas Guna

I was waiting to open this thread since the beginning of Ramadhan.

Many belief system in the World has its worshippers fasting during specific month or for a few days. In Hinduism for example, the Navarathri celebrations comes to mind. Howerver, Muslims does it every year for 30 days at month of Ramadhan.

Fasting is a powerful self-control and self-restrain. Where a follower will not consume water or food for hours and in some cases, follow strict dietry practise such as consume only bread and milk (no solid food) for specific days. It's goal is to bring for changes in Spiritualism. The follower will able to control his own emotions and bodily functions through the power of his mind alone - which is a strong topic among Easterners. Matter a fact, I have come across various cases where a follower could not eat solid food for YEARS and sustain his body only through consumption of food such as banana and water (like many Yogis are doing, even today). Modern Science have been baffled about these cases for decades and some ignorant Westerners simply push it aside as pseudoscience altogether (even so the evidence is in front of them to examine).

Now, we will ask ourselves this question - What does Muslims trying to accomplish through fasting in Ramadhan?

I have seen many examples where Muslims perform this without any goals in mind - doing it only because Islam and Muhammad told them to do it. Some feel that are forced to do it because they cannot eat (afraid they will be caught by other Muslims and subjected to riddicule later). Some do it for sake of showcasting their faith to others. In another word, they are doing for ALL THE WRONG REASONS and none of these reasons were that of Spiritualism.

orangbesi

Many belief system in the World has its worshippers fasting during specific month or for a few days. In Hinduism for example, the Navarathri celebrations comes to mind. Howerver, Muslims does it every year for 30 days at month of Ramadhan.
Fasting is a powerful self-control and self-restrain. Where a follower will not consume water or food for hours and in some cases, follow strict dietry practise such as consume only bread and milk (no solid food) for specific days. It's goal is to bring for changes in Spiritualism. The follower will able to control his own emotions and bodily functions through the power of his mind alone - which is a strong topic among Easterners. Matter a fact, I have come across various cases where a follower could not eat solid food for YEARS and sustain his body only through consumption of food such as banana and water (like many Yogis are doing, even today). Modern Science have been baffled about these cases for decades and some ignorant Westerners simply push it aside as pseudoscience altogether (even so the evidence is in front of them to examine).
Now, we will ask ourselves this question - What does Muslims trying to accomplish through fasting in Ramadhan?
I have seen many examples where Muslims perform this without any goals in mind - doing it only because Islam and Muhammad told them to do it. Some feel that are forced to do it because they cannot eat (afraid they will be caught by other Muslims and subjected to riddicule later). Some do it for sake of showcasting their faith to others. In another word, they are doing for ALL THE WRONG REASONS and none of these reasons were that of Spiritualism.

kamu nampak org2 muslim yg hanya terikut ikut je tuuuu
marilah, cubalah bersama sama mereka yang benar benar PERCAYA YAKIN

kamu ingat senang ke nak tunduk merendah diri (humble) ni
kamu cubalah dulu ya

Sephiroth

by orangbesi

kamu ingat senang ke nak tunduk merendah diri (humble) ni
kamu cubalah dulu ya

Yang rasa susah nak merendahkan diri itu adalah manusia2 yg egoistik dan angkuh sahaja. Bagi yg lain, senangnya utk mereka rasa merendah diri.

Tengok sami Buddha. Yg masuk menyertai golongan sami - perkara pertama mereka harus buat - pulaukan semua hubungan duniawi dan kemewahan, dan hidup dgn meminta sedekah dari masyarakat. Senang je mereka buat itu.

Lagipun, amalan puasa dlm agama Islam itu hanyalah utk mengawal mulut sahaja. Tetapi selepas Ramadan habis, kamu tengok orang2 islam - makan sampai nak tercekik.

Truth.8

orangbesi posted on 29-7-2014 02:40 PM
Many belief system in the World has its worshippers fasting during specific month or for a few days. ...

kamu nampak org2 muslim yg hanya terikut ikut je tuuuu
marilah, cubalah bersama sama mereka yang benar benar PERCAYA YAKIN

kamu ingat senang ke nak tunduk merendah diri (humble) ni
kamu cubalah dulu ya

...bukan aja tunduk aja tapi sifat  hormati dan cintai semua makluk...

utk itu...kena kenali Pencipta dulu.....maka sifat itu akan dtg dengan sendiri...


skrg ini semua yg di gelar agama dan lain2 ....hanya melakukan apa di seru oleh nabi2 utk mendapat pahala dan tanggunjawab...hakikatnya...hati mereka jauh mengenali Pencipta...

contohnya....saya pergi ke clubing minggu lepas....tiada nampak orang2 melayu  masa bulan puasa...tapi bila bulan puasa sudah tamat...maka nampak muka2 ini di clubbing...

adakah mereka sudah mengenali Pencipta atau sahaja melakukan tanggunjawab seruan nabi??
kalau mereka sudah mengenali Pencipta maka mereka tidak jejak kaki di clubbing ....

kenapa saya clubbing??? sebab saya belum bersedia berpuasa....bila saya sudah berpuasa...maka semua perkara seperti clubbing harus saya henti...kerana puasa ini bukan tunjuk atau di permain-mainkan ...tapi sedih....mereka2 hanya puasa utk sedapkan hati orang lain...

fikir-fikirkan

Sephiroth

by Hypocrite.8

kenapa saya clubbing??? sebab saya belum bersedia berpuasa....bila saya sudah berpuasa...maka semua perkara seperti clubbing harus saya henti...

Oi kawan ... bukankah apa kamu kata itu sama je dgn apa mereka buat? Bila mereka berpuasa, mereka tak pergi clubbing. Bila kamu nak berpuasa esok, baru kamu nak berlagak menjadi makluk yg baik dan berhenti pergi clubbing. Dua2 pun sama je.

Kamu percaya tak kalau aku kata dlm masa lebih 40 tahun aku hidup dlm jasad ini, saya hanya pergi ke Club SEKALI SAHAJA? Itu pun utk mengetahui apa keadaan dlm Club. Kamu percaya tak?

Truth.8

Sephiroth posted on 31-7-2014 08:27 AM
by Hypocrite.8

Skrg saya di klia2 utk ke luar negara.  Bila dah sampai Malaysia,  saya komen..ada gambar lalat di meja yg saya  makan
Kenapa saya post gambar lalat? Nanti saya cerita
..

Sephiroth

Truth.8 posted on 31-7-2014 09:55 AM
Skrg saya di klia2 utk ke luar negara.  Bila dah sampai Malaysia,  saya komen..ada gambar lalat di ...

Kamu nak naik kapal MAS kah? Hehehehe ... Maaf lah kalau aku tak mengucapkan "Selamat" kpd kamu.

Truth.8

Sephiroth posted on 31-7-2014 09:59 AM
Kamu nak naik kapal MAS kah? Hehehehe ... Maaf lah kalaIu aku tak mengucapkan "Selamat" kpd kamu. : ...

Air asia......

Emoloser

Orang muslim berpuasa adalah untuk memenuhi syarat rukun iman yang ke 3, bukan sebab-sebab spiritualism.
Agama Islam yang saya faham lebih kepada ritualism dan bukannya spritulism. Bila ditanya mengapa puasa wajib bulan ramadhan, mereka jawab sebab ianya di suruh dalam al-quran.

mashimaru83

Bhavagad Gita
When self-control is incorrectly performed by a dull person and results simply in self-torture for the person who is trying to restrain himself, or when it is performed for the sake of causing injury to another person, then this self-control leads to nowhere but into sheer darkness and further along the path of the Tamas Guna

In Islam, you don't have to fast if it affects your health (in a bad way). So, the injury or self-torture the Bhavagad Gita mentioned above are not applicable to Islamic way of fasting.

It's clear here that you don't have the solid understanding of Islamic teachings. I strongly suggest that you spend some time to learn Islam instead of making misleading statement like above.

The verse you posted above is more likely applicable to the yearly Thaipusam event. Why do Hindus do 'self-torture' that cause injury to their body although Bhavagad Gita said it leads to nowhere?

Sephiroth

Truth.8 posted on 31-7-2014 11:36 AM
Air asia......

Why not MAS? Then you can go down with the next MAS aircraft and I can open a thread called "Where did Truth.8 disappeared?"

Malaysia (and her corrupted government) have already DAMNED themselves. From the time last election was over, God have struck them blows after blows. More will come, including the worse one yet. Hundreds if not thousands will share a common grave and you can hear the sound of the wailing (of their souls) coming from below as you walk past. Fires will burn and the people will be plaqued by nightmares.

Sephiroth

Emoloser posted on 31-7-2014 12:02 PM
Orang muslim berpuasa adalah untuk memenuhi syarat rukun iman yang ke 3, bukan sebab-sebab spiritual ...

Yup, did you notice that Muslims cannot lie during Ramadhan but can beat the devil in lying after Ramadhan?

Fasting in Islam bring them NO rewards in term of changing themselves physically, mentally and spiritually. I got one Malay staff in my office - a big, fat guy who sleep in the office. Before Ramadhan, he sleeps and the reason he gives was - he went to sleep too early and woke up too early. During Ramdhan, he gives excuse - tired of fasting.

I have fasted every Tuesday and Friday (in the past) from the age 18 to 35 years old and I have not slept during office hours (only during lunch hour which was 1 hour since I have nothing to do). This guy spends hours sleeping and he can use Ramadhan as an excuse. What is the use of fasting in Islam? NOTHING.

The Muslims do it just to fullfil their given tasks with an excuse that they will receive heavenly rewards.

orangbesi

Sephiroth posted on 29-7-2014 08:47 PM
by orangbesi

Yang rasa susah nak merendahkan diri itu adalah manusia2 yg egoistik dan angkuh sahaja. Bagi yg lain, senangnya utk mereka rasa merendah diri.
Tengok sami Buddha. Yg masuk menyertai golongan sami - perkara pertama mereka harus buat - pulaukan semua hubungan duniawi dan kemewahan, dan hidup dgn meminta sedekah dari masyarakat. Senang je mereka buat itu.

lagi baik jika mereka2 yang DEKAT dgn TUHAN
mengambil ala kadar dari penghidupan dunia
dan SENTIASA BERSAMA MASYARAKAT, untuk MENYAMPAIKAN AMANAH TUHAN ......................

Lagipun, amalan puasa dlm agama Islam itu hanyalah utk mengawal mulut sahaja. Tetapi selepas Ramadan habis, kamu tengok orang2 islam - makan sampai nak tercekik.

memang ada yg sebegitu, tapi ada juga yang tetap MENGINGATI PUASA dan kebaikannya
dan tidak mementingkan diri sendiri je

orangbesi

Truth.8 posted on 30-7-2014 06:37 PM
...bukan aja tunduk aja tapi sifat  hormati dan cintai semua makluk...

utk itu...kena kenal ...

...bukan aja tunduk aja tapi sifat  hormati dan cintai semua makluk...
utk itu...kena kenali Pencipta dulu.....maka sifat itu akan dtg dengan sendiri...

skrg ini semua yg di gelar agama dan lain2 ....hanya melakukan apa di seru oleh nabi2 utk mendapat pahala dan tanggunjawab...hakikatnya...hati mereka jauh mengenali Pencipta...
contohnya....saya pergi ke clubing minggu lepas....tiada nampak orang2 melayu  masa bulan puasa...tapi bila bulan puasa sudah tamat...maka nampak muka2 ini di clubbing...
adakah mereka sudah mengenali Pencipta atau sahaja melakukan tanggunjawab seruan nabi??
kalau mereka sudah mengenali Pencipta maka mereka tidak jejak kaki di clubbing ....
kenapa saya clubbing??? sebab saya belum bersedia berpuasa....bila saya sudah berpuasa...maka semua perkara seperti clubbing harus saya henti...kerana puasa ini bukan tunjuk atau di permain-mainkan ...tapi sedih....mereka2 hanya puasa utk sedapkan hati orang lain...

eish, pendek sangat ayat aku tu
tapi bila seseorang itu telah TUNDUK, maka akan PATUH DAN TAATLAH dirinya kan
dan memang benar, nak tunduk kena le KENAL dulu kan

para2 nabi diperintahkan untuk MENYAMPAIKAN je
apa FITRAH KEJADIAN sebagai manusia
yang manusia terlupa. lalai, leka......
hormat kepada para utusan2 ini, bukannya taksub menggila

ada org yg alim, berbuat baik, tapi hati bagai serigala!!!!!!
ada yg jahat, kufur tapi hatinya, baik dan lembut!!!!1
................pening aku jadinye

Sephiroth

by orangbesi

memang ada yg sebegitu, tapi ada juga yang tetap MENGINGATI PUASA dan kebaikannya
dan tidak mementingkan diri sendiri je

Maaf, kamu tengok je lah masyarakat Islam kamu itu - antara yg paling banyak berpenyakit berkaitan dgn makanan - kencing manis, sakit jantung dan lain. Apa yg kamu (orang Islam) buat adalah utk sbg memenuhi kehendak agama kamu shj dan bukannya utk Spiritualism.

mashimaru83

Sephiroth posted on 31-7-2014 01:27 PM
Yup, did you notice that Muslims cannot lie during Ramadhan but can beat the devil in lying after  ...

You are playing blaming game here. Pick a random Muslim and then try to make a biased conclusion about Islam. Actually someone else can come along and attack your attitude (biased, like to say bad words, etc) and then also make a bad conclusion about Hinduism.

I suggest that you don't do that, else you will be defeating your ownself.

I have yet to see you addressing the question that I posted. Why do Hindus do 'self-torture' that cause injury to their body during the Thaipusam although Bhavagad Gita said it leads to nowhere?

wei_loon5063

orangbesi posted on 31-7-2014 04:13 PM
Yang rasa susah nak merendahkan diri itu adalah manusia2 yg egoistik dan angkuh sahaja. Bagi yg la ...

ni saya nampak...........

babi - haram
zina, arak, pil ekstasi dll OK tak ada masalah

puasa tak makan cuba.

tapi perangai masih tak kawal....

yg spiritual yg lebih tinggi akan kata, ish.... puasa ke dok

anwarnuwa

Apa yg kamu (orang Islam) buat adalah utk sbg memenuhi kehendak agama kamu shj dan bukannya utk Spiritualism.

ya makcik. itu betul. ramai orang islam buat perkara wajib semata2 ritual, bukan buat untuk Allah. ini salah satu virus dalam islam.

ramai yang beragama tapi beragama tanpa tuhan

interest artikel untuk makcik seph kalau minat

http://saifulislam.com/2014/02/m ... ragama-tanpa-tuhan/

wei_loon5063

betul,

ni saya bersetuju dgn seps

banyak org termasuk segala agama, nama agama cuma macam name tag... pakai shj...

saya muslim, saya puasa setahun sekali tak makan dr pagi sampai petang...

tapi perangai tak puasa langsung.... apa guna...

sama kristian... perangai macam apa, pastu gi church buat confession dan ulang lagi....

sama juga buddhist yg anggap makan vegetarian untuk cuci dosa

Sephiroth

by wei_loon5063

saya muslim, saya puasa setahun sekali tak makan dr pagi sampai petang...
tapi perangai tak puasa langsung.... apa guna...

sama kristian... perangai macam apa, pastu gi church buat confession dan ulang lagi....

sama juga buddhist yg anggap makan vegetarian untuk cuci dosa

First of all, bukan aku yg kata, tetapi Shri Krishna yg berkata sedemikian dlm Bhavagad Gita.

Secondly, orang2 Muslims sudah disuruh berpuasa dgn alasan bahawa sekiranya mereka berpuasa, maka dosa mereka sebelumnya akan dibersihkan. Ianya tak ubah spt kata2 paderi kristian yg mengatakan bahawa sekiranya mereka buat confession, dosa mereka akan hilang.

KENAPA orang Islam tak pernah berfikir dgn menjalankan amalan puasa, mereka boleh menganalisa diri sendiri dan menghentikan segala perbuatan yg berdosa yg diulangi? Jawapannya - kerana itu perbuatan yg susah dilakukan oleh oleh Islam. Mereka merasa ianya lebih baik mereka tak mengubah diri - walaupun mereka bodoh, biadap dan ketinggalan zaman - dari mengubah diri sendiri.

Dalam agama Buddha, bila masa Gautama Buddha mengajar bahawa makan vegetarian akan mencuci dosa? Itu Sutra mana itu?