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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 11-9-2005 09:48 PM
I am not upset but she will learn the truth sooner or later. Rite now God allowing her to study in depth abt islam. The she study islam the more she going to doubth.
That's none of your concern too. Just MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 11-9-2005 09:47 PM
so where is the pics inside the room???
Truth8 u still bz with ur mistery? Ki ki , Pics in kaabah? Dude as usual this is the kaabah caretaker right . If they want to publish it , it is their choice. Who are u to question them? It is similar like when I questioning about ur house photo. Why dun u allowed us to snap pic in ur house? Mistery? Or full of idol statue? Or perhaps a lot of marijuanan tree? |
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Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 12-9-2005 10:33 AM
Truth8 u still bz with ur mistery? Ki ki , Pics in kaabah? Dude as usual this is the kaabah caretaker right . If they want to publish it , it is their choice. Who are u to question them? It i ...
kekekek...lets truth8 keep busy with his mistery.  . I wondering if he/she ask same question in other forum? |
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Hosea 10:2
Their heart is deceitful, and now they must bear their guilt. The
LORD will demolish their altars and destroy their sacred stones.
Exodus 23:24
Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces.
Exodus 34:13
Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down
their Asherah poles.
Deuteronomy 12:3
Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places.
Leviticus 26:1
" 'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for
yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow
down before it. I am the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 16:22
and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the LORD your God hates.
[5.97] Allah has made the Kaaba, the sacred house, a maintenance for the people, and the sacred month and the offerings and the sacrificial animals with garlands; this is that you may know that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth, and that Allah is the Knower of all things.
I don't know about this.
Wasn't the Kaabah a pagan shrine for centuries?
Why do you revere the Black Stone?
Truly, if Moses and the ancient Israelites ever invaded Mecca, they would have destroyed the Kaabah and smashed the Black Stone like what God commanded.
Why didn't Muhammed follow Moses's example?
God could never have been or ever would be present in this pagan shrine of the Kaabah, or in the Black Stone, God despises these things.
any comment frm Muhammad followers???? |
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KENNKID This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 20-11-2005 10:18 PM
Hosea 10:2
Their heart is deceitful, and now they must bear their guilt. The
LORD will demolish their altars and destroy their sacred stones.
Exodus 23:24
Do not bow down before t ...
When will you ever stop lying?
Never has God commanded for the Ka'abah to be worshipped.
022.029
YUSUFALI: "Then let them complete the rites prescribed for them, perform their vows, and (again) circumambulate the Ancient House."
PICKTHAL: Then let them make an end of their unkemptness and pay their vows and go around the ancient House.
SHAKIR: Then let them accomplish their needful acts of shaving and cleansing, and let them fulfil their vows and let them go round the Ancient House.
:pray:http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/022.qmt.html
The pilgrim goes on glorifying Allah the most High, while performing the rounds, with these noble hymns: "Glory be to Allah! All Praise be to Allah! There is no deity save God. Allah is Most Great! There is no handling, nor power, save by Allah's Help."
A Monotheist (One-God worshipper) holds these sublime prayers far more valuable than the earth's entire riches. With these, he praises his One and Only Lord, as he circles a spot made Holy by the presence of His House. Is there any remotest trace of Polytheism (multi-god worship) or Idolatry in such an act?
IS THE BLACK STONE AN IDOL?
IS THE PILGRIMAGE A PAGAN RITE?
Be correctly informed and don't be a fool like T .8 :
:pray:http://members.lycos.co.uk/sep2002/ISTHEBLACKSTONEANIDOL.htm
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 21-11-2005 09:46 AM
When will you ever stop lying?
Never has God commanded for the Ka'abah to be worshipped.
022.02 ...
As usual Truth8 and his bull****. Anyhow good posting Kennkid |
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 21-11-2005 09:46 AM
When will you ever stop lying?
Never has God commanded for the Ka'abah to be worshipped.
022.02 ...
in case if u do not understood my writings, let me refresh again and pls do not label me liar because Jews nor Prophets before Mo did not observed /or going to kaba as house of god, so we know the liar here, am rite:
read this with open eyes if not take lots of carrots or bilberry which good for ur vision:
Leviticus 26:1
" 'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for
yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow
down before it. I am the LORD your God.
bowing indirectly to an object also consider abomination to God
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 21-11-2005 01:45 PM
in case if u do not understood my writings, let me refresh again and pls do not label me liar because Jews nor Prophets before Mo did not observed /or going to kaba as house of god, s ...
The Kaabah is a building, not a carved stone. Carved stones are the stones in your Catholic brothers' churches, where you worship the carved statues and idols of Jesus and Mary.
Muslims do not worship the Kaabah during Haj, we just go around it and praise Allah, not the Kaabah. (Read the link).
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 21-11-2005 02:51 PM
The Kaabah is a building, not a carved stone. Carved stones are the stones in your Catholic brothers' churches, where you worship the carved statues and idols of ...
Ki ki , good anwser KK.
Errr Truth8 , I doubt u understand what is in ur own posting. Or in other word truth8 did not understand his own statement. Errr perhaps lupa makan ubat. |
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 21-11-2005 02:51 PM
The Kaabah is a building, not a carved stone. Carved stones are the stones in your Catholic brothers' churches, where you worship the carved statues and idols of ...
oh really?? than who carved the block of stone which pile up like block and who place the aswad (black stone) when most of ur umat kiss and touched it.
why bowing indirectly to block of stone (carved by men) ??? |
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Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 21-11-2005 02:55 PM
Ki ki , good anwser KK.
Errr Truth8 , I doubt u understand what is in ur own posting. Or in other word truth8 did not understand his own statement. Errr perhaps lupa makan ubat.
yes i did understood that why i do not bow to any image whether directly or indirectly. i do keep plastic elephants as part of decoration but i do not bow to it but just admire the work of art done by humans. |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 21-11-2005 05:36 PM
yes i did understood that why i do not bow to any image whether directly or indirectly. i do keep plastic elephants as part of decoration but i do not bow to it but just admire the work of a ...
err do u understand what u r saying? Do u understand what is qiblat?:cak::cak::cak::cak:
Let say , if there is flood , and lets say the flood "hanyutkan" kaabah , Muslim still using the original location of Kaabah as direction for praying and not the new location of kaabah debris (if) |
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I got one question, I always read somewhere that Jerusalem is the First Kiblat for the Muslims. Later it was changed to Mekah. can someone explain this? |
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Pertukaran Qiblat :
Peristiwa pertukaran Qiblat daripada Baitul Maqdis ke Baitullah Al- Haram di Mekkah berlaku pada tahun kedua dari Hijrah Nabawiyah dalam bulan Sya'ban.
Selama 17 bulan Nabi saw bersolat mengadap kearah Baitul Maqdis. Baitul Maqdis adalah Qiblat para Ambiya' bersolat kearahnya. Pertukaran arah Qiblat daripada Baitul Maqdis ke Baitullah sentiasa menjadi hasrat hati Nabi saw semenjak berada di Mekkah lagi beliau menharapkan pertukaran ini. Ketika berada di Masjid Haram sebelum Hijrah beliau cuba mengumpulkan dalam solatnya mengadap kearah kedua-dua Qiblat dengan cara beliau bersolat di antara rukun Yamani dan Hajratul Aswad.
Firman Allah swt maksudnya :
"sesungguhnya kerap kali Kami melihat engkau (wahai Muhammad), berulang-ulang menengadah ke langit, maka Kami benarkan engkau berpaling mengadap kiblat yang engkau sukai. Oleh itu palingkanlah mukamu ke arah Masjidilharam (tempat letaknya Kaabah) dan di mana sahaja kamu berada maka hadapkanlah muka kamu ke arahnya dan sesungguhnya orang-orang (Yahudi dan Nasrani) yang telah diberikan Kitab, mereka mengetahui bahawa perkara (berkiblat ke Kaabah) itu adalah perintah yang benar dari Tuhan mereka dan Allah tidak sekali-kali lalai akan apa yang mereka lakukan" ( Al-Baqarah :144)
Ayat ini bermaksud bahawa Allah swt sentiasa memerhatikan Nabi saw menadah tanggannya ke langit ,berdoa kepada Allah dengan harapan diturunkan wahyu yang memerintah tukar arah Qiblat daripada Baitul Maqdis ke Baitullah Al Haram di Mekkah.
Yahya Bin Muhammad Al Akhnas menceritakan kisah petukaran ini :"Rasulullah saw menziarahi Ibu Bashar bin Al Barra' dalam keluarga Bani Salmah . Ibu Bashar telah menyediakan makanan untuk Nabi saw lalu Nabi pun makan hidangan itu bersama dengan beberapa orang sahabat. Sesudah makan masuk waktu zohor lalu Nabi pun bersolat bersama dengan para sahabat yang ada di situ di masjid Bani Salmah ( sekarang dikenali dengan nama Masjid Qiblatain sempena dengan petukaran ini Qiblatain maknanya dua qiblat ) . Sesudah Nabi saw bersolat zohor dua raka'at , turunlah wahyu Allah( ayat 144 di atas ) yang memerintah supaya Nabi saw berpaling kearah Kaabah di Mekkah lalu Nabi dan para sahabat yang bersolat bersamanya pun terus memusingkan tumik mereka ( 180 darjah pusingan) kearah Masjid Haram di Mekkah , mengadap betul-betul kearah Mizab di Kaabah ( sekarang ini menjadi tempat pancuran emas disalah satu dinding Kaabah di sebelah atas).
( kitab Kesan-Kesan Tarikh Madinah Al Munawarah Lama dan Baru : ms 138 )
Petukaran Qiblat ini adalah satu ujian kepada kaum muslim ketika itu dan juga menjadi tamparan hebat kepada kaum Yahudi Madinah. |
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Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 22-11-2005 02:20 PM
Pertukaran Qiblat :
Peristiwa pertukaran Qiblat daripada Baitul Maqdis ke Baitullah Al- Haram di Mekkah berlaku pada tahun kedua dari Hijrah Nabawiyah dalam bulan Sya'ban.
Selama 17 ...
So why is God so inconsistent? Whe he keeps changing his mind? If he knows the jews and the nasrini is going to change his kitab, why bother to send prophets through the jewish lines? why dont just start with arabic prophet in the lline of Ishmael? Why God wants to punish the jews and the christians? is he a sadist? does he enjoy seeing the muslims pitting against the christians in bloodshed? why does he punish even the muslims by ssending tsunami to indonesia?
Why is he so cruel? You said he is merciful? is he?
why cant he just appeared to human race and announced ' I AM GOD.. so on and so forth is correct, listen to this group'
Trust me this will almost certainly make all humankind tremble and worship him straight away.. and saved billions of life fighting in his honour. why does he keep quiet? To test humans? why put humans to the test? why let so many people die everyday in suicide bombings, wars and he can just keep quiet about this.??
can anyone answer this?
nobody can. not a single muslim or christian can give satisfactory answer to this question. you will probably pray that may your God open my mind to undesrtand his wonders... oh you may even say that for us pethatic humans we will never understand the mind of the Great God...
all these questions make me feel sick to my stomach. you want me to believe in your religion then answer this question for me. |
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Originally posted by tickmeoff at 22-11-2005 05:19 PM
So why is God so inconsistent? Whe he keeps changing his mind? If he knows the jews and the nasrini is going to change his kitab, why bother to send prophets through the jewish lines? why dont ...
God Inconsistent? Can u explain more in detail , I doubt u understand what u r saying about. Trust me.
God Cruel? Dude , I will ask u simple question , ur awnser will be anwser to ur own question. Which one u prefer to be human or robot? Dun forget robot have no feeling , so better think carefully before u awnser.;);););) |
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Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 22-11-2005 06:09 PM
God Inconsistent? Can u explain more in detail , I doubt u understand what u r saying about. Trust me.
God Cruel? Dude , I will ask u simple question , ur awnser will be anwser to ur own q ...
a human has a brain and he has logics. He asks questions and he seeks answers. Robots do not ask question they follow. They are programmed not to rebel but to submit. they are mindless and they have no logics.they are drones.
am i robot? or are YOU one yourself? think about it.
and you have not answered my question. I mentioned God is inconsistent because he keeps changing his mind. first he favoured the Jews, then he sent all the prophets to them, then he changed his mind when teh jews 'disobey' him. He now pour his blessings to the arabs by appointing an arab prophet. when the jews disobey him again and refused to accept muhammad, he changed the kiblat from Jerusalem to Mekah. isnt this inconsistency?
God as you believe should be ever powerful everlasting, ever knowing. If he knows the jews will disobey him, why did he bother to appoint jewish prophets? why do that? he is creating a mess! He must also know that the jews and christians wil change the holy book, then WHY BOTHER dividing human race? why dont just appoint all the prophets in arab line and proclaim islam as teh universal religion? why send moses, jesus if He knew they will fail in their task? why create so many confusions?
I am atheist yes, but i also read a bit of the koran (english translation) and the bible. I can tell you that the koran itself has so many condemnation for the jews and christians, condeming them in almost every chapter. why condemn the jews/ christians if this is the 'mistake' god has made himself? mistake is why he sent moses/jesus knowing that they will faiL? |
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Originally posted by tickmeoff at 22-11-2005 05:19 PM
So why is God so inconsistent? ...
Jews face Jerusalem for worshipped and Muhammad came after 600yrs later and claimed allah (muslims god) to face qilat the so called house of god the kaba.
One day a women asked Jesus abt worshipping ( facing) Jerusalem, Christ replies to her that worshipped God in truth and faith and not necessary to face Jerusalem.
Ur question : So why is God so inconsistent? God is not inconsistent neither God told Jews to face Jerusalem but it was human system and Jesus made stop to this.
In islam Muhammad claimed allah says so but we totally reject this because we do not believed allah is our god. one more thing, allah always says this and that and if u do not do this than u will dumped in hell. if u do good, the rewards. tell me can i accept this god??
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 23-11-2005 12:20 AM
Jews face Jerusalem for worshipped and Muhammad came after 600yrs later and claimed allah (muslims god) to face qilat the so called house of god the kaba.
And you came some 2000 years later saying that Jesus is God when Jesus never said that. It was not the belief during Abraham's time, it was not the belief during Moses' time, not the belief during Jesus's time... suddenly in the 21st century you say Jesus is God. Six hundred years after Jesus, when there were signs of deviation, God revealed the truth about Jesus to God's final prophet. But instead of listening and believing, your people made it even worse.
From One God in Absolute Unity, you people made him 3 in one and now there's this 2 in 1 from you. When will you ever get things right?
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 23-11-2005 12:04 PM
And you came some 2000 years later saying that Jesus is God when Jesus never said that. It was not the belief during Abraham's time, it was not the belief during Moses' time, not the belief during Jesus's time... suddenly in the 21st century you say Jesus is God. Six hundred years after Jesus, when there were signs of deviation, God revealed the truth about Jesus to God's final prophet. But instead of listening and believing, your people made it even worse.
From One God in Absolute Unity, you people made him 3 in one and now there's this 2 in 1 from you. When will you ever get things right?
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Yes Jesus is God according to Bible. if u do not buy than feel sorry for ur souls.
The question here is Kaba? does True God of Abraham acknowledge such facing toward qilat?? or just human made systems?? |
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Post time 11-9-2005 09:56 PM
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