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Edisi Serbu: Muhibah dinner held in church disrupted

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Post time 10-8-2011 03:18 PM | Show all posts
Reply 1180# dino


    mcm mana kita nk buktikan agama kita lebih hebat dari segi ekonomi berbanding agama lain??
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Post time 10-8-2011 03:20 PM | Show all posts
Reply  dino


    mcm mana kita nk buktikan agama kita lebih hebat dari segi ekonomi berbanding  ...
aniqq_torres Post at 10-8-2011 15:18

dlm isu ni mmg diakui ekonomi umat islam tak hebat.... sbb tu la ade pihak ambik peluang... at least kite semua tersedar la skrg....
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 Author| Post time 10-8-2011 03:21 PM | Show all posts
20 NGO baghal pencacai parti politaik
kecimpret Post at 10-8-2011 14:33



    eh halal plak depa demo
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 Author| Post time 10-8-2011 03:23 PM | Show all posts
tak rasa terhina ke geng2 kristian ni org lain masuk kristian sebab wang.
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Post time 10-8-2011 03:23 PM | Show all posts
Zaid rapped JAIS of being too duty-bound in preventing Muslims from exercising their right to convert instead of understanding what “lies inside the heart of Muslims”.
kecimpret Post at 10-8-2011 14:32


Masa dia cakap ni dia tengah mabuk ke? :re:
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Post time 10-8-2011 03:24 PM | Show all posts
tak rasa terhina ke geng2 kristian ni org lain masuk kristian sebab wang.
atira Post at 10-8-2011 15:23

matlamat die nak meramaikan penganut jer kot... tak kesah
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Post time 10-8-2011 03:25 PM | Show all posts
Reply 1182# dino


    ataupon duit zakat utk asnaf dan ibu tunggal seperti didakwa ustaz asri tidak sampai ke tgn yg layak menerima?
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Post time 10-8-2011 03:29 PM | Show all posts
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    ataupon duit zakat utk asnaf dan ibu tunggal seperti didakwa ustaz asri tidak  ...
aniqq_torres Post at 10-8-2011 15:25

yg aku tahu la kan... sembang ngan makcik yg terima zakat... sewa rumah segala tuh.... nak dpt tu payah... byk songeh...
tambah2 ibu tunggal yg takde kenderaan nak turun naik pejabat segala.... tunggu masuk bersamamu baru terhegeh2...
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Post time 10-8-2011 03:33 PM | Show all posts
Reply 1188# dino


    mmm...tang ni dh nampak silap kita dlm menguruskan wang zakat...jadi akan ada kesempatan diambil oleh golongan ulama kristian atau yahudi utk memujuk dgn wang ringgit supaya murtad...dlm kes ni kita xleh tuding jari kat gereja tu saja...kita kena check blk pengurusan zakat...peruntukkan utk zakat ni tiap2 thn bukan skit bro..manyakk woo
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 Author| Post time 10-8-2011 03:46 PM | Show all posts
matlamat die nak meramaikan penganut jer kot... tak kesah
dino Post at 10-8-2011 15:24



    ramai tapi tak ikhlas buat apa. matlamat menganut kristian sbb wang
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Post time 10-8-2011 04:44 PM | Show all posts
piem tak takut  pope hidang holywater ka
atira Post at 4-8-2011 14:08



dgn cara idup Pee Eem skrg holywater takdeer makna apa2 lagi ...dah lali dgn kesesatan

sekian selamat berbuka puasa
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Post time 10-8-2011 05:39 PM | Show all posts
boleh caya ke?
siap soal kuiz tang Islam lagi... ceh..

Isu gereja: Harapan Komuniti nafi dakwaan murtadkan umat Islam
Oleh Yow Hong Chieh
August 10, 2011

KUALA LUMPUR, 10 Ogos – Penganjur majlis makan malam muhibah di sebuah gereja minggu lalu yang diserbu Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor (Jais) menafikan dakwaan terdapat usaha mahu memurtadkan umat Islam, sebaliknya menegaskan ia adalah program menyampaikan bantuan kepada golongan miskin tanpa mengira kaum dan agama.

Dilaporkan terdapat nyayian lagu keagamaan dalam majlis itu yang diadakan di Gereja Methodist Damansara Utama dekat Petaling Jaya, yang mana diserbu pegawai Jais pada Rabu lalu.

Pengarah Eksekutif Harapan Komuniti berkata organisasi itu komited untuk membantu golongan miskin dan ‘melarat’ dan penghidap HIV dan Aids melalui pendekatan “kasih sayang, harapan, keamanan dan maruah” sambil menegaskan menyewa premis Gereja Methodist Damansara Utama.

“Harapan Komuniti membantu mereka yang memerlukan terutamanya golongan miskin dan mereka yang ditindas, namun Jais bertindak untuk mengganggu acara amal ini pada 3 Ogos lalu,” katanya dalam kenyataan yang dikeluarkan melalui peguamnya Annou Xavier.

Annuo memberitahu The Malaysian Insider bahawa majlis makan malam muhibah itu boleh diadakan di mana-mana seperti Dewan Komuniti Cina tetapi Harapan Komuniti memilih Gereja Methodist Damansara Utama kerana pihak gereja menawarkan lokasi dengan percuma.

“Kerana ia (Harapan Komuniti) adalah sebuah pertubuhan bukan keuntungan dan mencari lokasi yang mudah dan murah,” katanya.

Beliau menambah, Harapan Komuniti – diketuai ahli lembaga daripada orang Melayu, orang Cina dan orang India – selain tidak mempunyai sebarang kaitan dengan Gereja Methodist Damansara Utama dan pernah menyewa dewan gereja sebelum ini.

Annou juga berkata “doa kesyukuran” turut dibacakan semasa majlis makan malam itu atas bantuan yang telah diberikan bersama kira-kira 120 orang daripada pelbagai latar belakang agama.

“Ini bukan doa Kristian, ia lebih kepada berterima kasih kepada Tuhan yang maha kuasa,” katanya.

Beliau berkata dua lagu kesyukuran dalam Bahasa Malaysia turut dinyanyikan - “Allahu Akhbar” dan “Allhamdulillah” – tetapi menegaskan ia lagu untuk semua.

“Ia satu lagu umum kepada Tuhan yang memberikan bantuan,” katanya menambaha, tidak tahu berapa ramai yang menyanyikan lagu itu.

Annou juga menolak dakwaan bahawa kitab Injil versi Bahasa Malaysia dan soalan-soalan tentang Islam diberikan dalam majlis makan malam itu untuk menghina agama itu.

“Ia bukan untuk memurtadkan sesiapa, ia tidak mempengaruhi sesiapa... mereka fikir ini bulan Ramadan, jadi mereka anjurkan kuiz tentang Islam,” katanya.

Serbuan itu mendapat bantahan banyak pihak dan kerajaan negeri Selangor di bawah Menteri Besar Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim menuntut satu laporan daripada Jais berhubung kemelut yang berlaku.

Bagaimanapun pertubuhan bukan kerajan (NGO) Islam mempertahankan Jais dan Exco Kerajaan Negeri Datuk Dr Hasan Ali yang mendakwa perkataan “al-Quran” dan “doa” atau “pray” diselitkan.

Jelas Hasan, ada bukti pihak terbabit mahu memurtadkan umat Islam.

Peguam bela mewakili 10 daripada 12 individu beragama Islam, yang dilapor berada di gereja ketika serbuan Jais berkata anak guamnya telah diminta membantu siasatan berhubung usaha mahu memurtadkan umat Islam di bawah Seksyen 4 Enakmen Ugama Bukan Islam (Kawalan Pengembangan Di Kalangan Orang Islam) 1988.

Di bawah seksyen itu, seseorang yang didapati melakukan kesalahan memujuk, mempengaruhi atau menghasut seseorang yang beragama Islam supaya cenderung kepada mana-mana agama bukan Islam atau supaya menjadi penganut atau anggota mana-mana agama bukan Islam atau supaya meninggalkan atau tidak suka kepada agama Islam.

Mereka boleh disabitkan mengikut seksyen kecil (1) dan jika didapati bersalah boleh dikenakan penjara sehingga satu tahun atau denda tidak melebihi RM10,000 atau kedua-duanya sekali.

Difahamkan tujuh daripada 12 individu beragama Islam itu menerima bantuan daripada Harapan Komuniti.
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Post time 10-8-2011 05:46 PM | Show all posts
eh halal plak depa demo
atira Post at 10-8-2011 15:21


Jakim dah cek..sah tiada DNA babi..
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Post time 10-8-2011 10:27 PM | Show all posts
terawih tu wajib ke??

tk solat terawih dosa ke??

cuba ko cari balik buku teks agama  ...
salimrock Post at 4-8-2011 09:19



   sunat muaakkad.....dituntut walau bagaimana pun tidak berdosa kalau x terbuat..tp kalau saja2 x buat apa ko fikir ?
kita di galakkan menunaikan solat taraweh ...seikhlasnya

kita ni kalau dgn Tuhan cari yg paling minima........kalau dgn manusia bukan main mahu yg terbaik....kita sentiasa PELIK.


Bukan aku menistakan ko PELIK....aku faham yg ko masih belum faham kebaiakan/menfaat taraweh...walaubagaimanapun aku  yakin ko tunai yg wajib 5 waktu sungguhpun taraweh ko anggap x kisah...insyaallah ta'ala...
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Post time 10-8-2011 10:30 PM | Show all posts
boleh caya ke?
siap soal kuiz tang Islam lagi... ceh..

Isu gereja: Harapan Komuniti nafi dakwaan ...
petola Post at 10-8-2011 17:39


aku percaya sangat cakap Harapam Komuniti ni, sebab kalau betul depa nak murtadkan mulayu, kenapa depa buat kat gureja, nampak sangat kan, depa bukan vodoh macam mulayu2 rempit kampung/Pelda tau....
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Post time 10-8-2011 10:32 PM | Show all posts
boleh caya ke?
siap soal kuiz tang Islam lagi... ceh..

Isu gereja: Harapan Komuniti nafi dakwaan ...
petola Post at 10-8-2011 17:39



    Nampaknya ada unsur-unsur nak murtadkan orang Islam. Saya rasa memang patut JAIS serbu gereja. Gereja itu bodoh dan bangang. Biar mereka rasa kebodohan mereka. Kenapa pula nak nyanyi lagi berkenaan tuhan? Aduhai...

Kalau boleh, tangkap saja pengelola majlis itu. Biar mereka takut.
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Post time 10-8-2011 10:33 PM | Show all posts
suatu serbuan yang membawa banyak hikmah,

mampu membuka mata pihak2 sebangsa seagama
yang bertelagah selama ini
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Post time 10-8-2011 10:51 PM | Show all posts

akhirnya NGO kristian mengaku ada buat nyayian dan kuiz pasal islam!

NGO says had prayers, songs but denies tied to Christianity or church
                                                                        By Yow Hong Chieh
                                                         August 10, 2011
                                                                                                                                                                                Harapan Komuniti says it has no ties with Damansara Utama Methodist Church (pic) and that the church hall only served as a venue for the dinner. — file pic

KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 10 — The non-profit outfit at the centre of last week’s controversial church raid has said it featured prayer, religious songs and a quiz on Islam at its dinner but denied it was aimed at converting the Muslims present.


Harapan Komuniti also pointed out that it had no ties with Damansara Utama Methodist Church (DUMC), where last Wednesday’s thanksgiving function was held, stressing that the church hall only served as a venue.
The dinner was later raided by Selangor Islamic Religious Department (Jais) officers on suspicion that Muslims at the event were being persuaded to leave Islam.

Harapan Komuniti lawyer Annou Xavier said while attendees had offered a prayer thanking God for aid received by the organisation, it was “general” and non-denominational as the 120 or so attendees professed various faiths.

“It is not a Christian prayer ... it is more like thanking God almighty,” he told The Malaysian Insider today.

He confirmed that two Malay-language thanksgiving songs were also sung at the dinner — “Allahu Akbar” and “Alhamdullilah” — but similarly denied they were religious in nature.



Annou also brushed off claims by Malay dailies and blogs that the quiz on Islam conducted at the dinner was meant to disparage the religion as the questions were “very general” in nature and “not insulting”.
“It was not to convert anyone, it was not to influence anybody ... They thought this is Ramadan month, they thought let’s have a quiz on Islam,” he said. - kalau nak kelentong pun agak2 la...


The dinner could have been held anywhere else, such as a Chinese community hall, but Harapan Komuniti opted for DUMC as the church had offered to let out the venue for free, Annou added.

“Because it is a non-profit organisation they look for somewhere that is conducive, simple and cheap,” he said.
Harapan Komuniti executive director Raymond Koh said earlier today his organisation was committed to “bringing love, hope, peace and dignity to the needy, downtrodden, children, women and people living with HIV and AIDS,” regardless of colour or creed.

“Harapan Komuniti has helped many needy and downtrodden citizens of Malaysia, without regard to race, religion, creed, yet Jais took it upon themselves to disrupt a peaceful and harmonious charity event,” he said in a statement issued through Annou.
The raid caused a public uproar, and the Selangor government under Mentri Besar Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim has since demanded a report from Jais explaining the raid.
But Muslim lobby groups have rallied behind Jais and Selangor executive councillor for religious matters Datuk Hasan Ali, who defended the raid by claiming that the words “pray” and “Qur’an” were used in the presence of Muslims who had attended the dinner.
This was among the evidence cited as proof by the former PAS Selangor chief that Christians had attempted to convert Muslims during the function.
Lawyers for 10 of the 12 Muslims who attended the dinner were informed earlier that Jais is investigating the incident under Section 4 of Selangor’s Non-Islamic Religions Enactment 1988.
The section makes it an offence for a person to “persuade, influence or incite” a Muslim to be inclined to any non-Islamic religion, become a follower or a member of a non-Islamic religion or forsake or disfavour Islam.
It is understood that seven of the 12 Muslims in question were recipients of Harapan Komuniti aid.

kami perkasa dah buat report polis dan demo pasal ni..kami takkan berdiam diri dan akan terus bersuara.....
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Post time 10-8-2011 10:52 PM | Show all posts
so, what's wrong with that?
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Post time 10-8-2011 10:53 PM | Show all posts
dah ilang cite wang zakat
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