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Collagen mentah / Ibu collagen.. ada sesiapa pernah cuba?

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Post time 20-10-2012 11:50 AM | Show all posts
itu saya tak pasti, tapi rumpai laut ni ada masuk kat majalah 3, samada diaorg nak makan @ tak, terpulanglah...  
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Post time 20-10-2012 11:54 AM | Show all posts
FyeCmeya posted on 20-10-2012 09:32 AM
haha thats rite... sape percaya mkn la.. tak percaya pegi duduk diam2..

kalau produk tak ada bukti kukuh untuk support fakta..lebih baik duduk diam juga...nanti kena angkat sumpah nak yakinkan org sampai sanggup panah petir kalau menipu eh teringat kat si saiful pula
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:06 PM | Show all posts
go_go posted on 20-10-2012 11:39 AM
seller yg claim itu ini,  berani kerana benar,  bukti pun tak ada, bila forumer tanya kata cerewet ...

aikk dah pegi KPNDKK belum??? pergi dulu la... baru boleh  nak nyibuk kat cini balik... oooohhh lupe plak hari ni sabtu
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:09 PM | Show all posts
FyeCmeya posted on 20-10-2012 12:06 PM
aikk dah pegi KPNDKK belum??? pergi dulu la... baru boleh  nak nyibuk kat cini balik... oooohhh lu ...

.....di sini bukan urusan KPNDKK lo tahu bezakah???...di sini mahu claim bukti dan bincang lanjutan daripada komen-komen di sini ..andaian juga kena ada bukti......so fakta lagilah kena ada bukti yg kuat
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:10 PM | Show all posts
boleh tuduh org jual collagen pulak? hei, tidak ada bukti pun yang rumpai laut ni ada collagen. collagen hanya dihasilkan oleh binatang saja,

Collagen is a group of naturally occurring proteins found in animals, especially in the flesh and connective tissues of vertebrates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collagen

tumbuhan tak ada collagen. ada antara beginners yg sebok defend di sini amat meragukan, konon tak jual tapi bermati2an bagi alasan, tuduh pulak orang jual collagen cap lain, suruh letak bukti rumpat laut ni ada collagen sampai ke sudah tak boleh.

Entry pasal seaweed jelly ni kat wiki langsung takda sebut yang ia ada collagen dan segala claim lain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucheuma

sebab ingat org bodoh? kat wiki tak boleh letak maklumat tanpa bukti. setakat ni yg claim benda ni ada collagen cuma sellers je. kesian lah org yg suka tengok bangsa sendiri kena tipu.
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:15 PM | Show all posts
ada yg mahu jadi saiful bukhari angkat sumpah......

woowww weeiiiiii.... kalau tipu panah petir lagi.....hahhahahahahha
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:17 PM | Show all posts
ANYWAY.. I find something!!! yang kata claim mak nenek bagai dia kata tak ada tu salah.. byk jugak khasiat yang dijumpai dalam seaweed EC ni.. ada jugak orang buat research pasal EC la… thank you to the author Patricia Matanjun et al..  lalala~~~

Protein (%) 9.76
Lipid (%) 1.10
Ash (%) 46.19
Crude fiber (%) 5.91
Carbohydrate (%) 26.49
Moisture content (%) 10.55
Soluble fiber (%) 18.25
Insoluble fiber (%) 6.80
Total dietary fiber (%) 25.05
Vitamin C (mg 100 g−1 WW) 35.3
α-tocopherol (mg/100 g DW) 5.85
Na (mg/100 g mg 100 g−1 DW) 1771.84
K (mg.100 g−1 DW) 13,155.19
Ca (mg.100 g−1 DW) 329.69
Mg (mg.100 g−1 DW) 271.33
Fe (mg.100 g−1 DW) 2.61
Zn (mg/100 g mg 100 g−1 DW)
Cu (mg.100 g−1 DW) 0.03
Se (mg.100 g−1 DW) 0.59
I (μg g−1 DW) 9.42
Na/K ratio 0.14

I find from here http://link.springer.com/article ... 26-4?LI=true#page-1
Proteins are very important molecules in our cells. They are involved in virtually all cell functions. Each protein within the body has a specific function. Some proteins are involved in structural support, while others are involved in bodily movement, or in defense against germs. Proteins vary in structure as well as function.
Lipidsconstitute a broad group of naturally occurring moleculesthat includefats, waxes,sterols, fat-solublevitamins (such as vitamins A, D, E, and K)
Dietary fiber, dietary fibre, or sometimes roughage or ruffage is the indigestible portion of plant foods having two main components:
        soluble (may be prebiotic and/or viscous) fiber that is readily fermented in the colon into gases and physiologically active byproducts, and
        insoluble fiber (may be metabolically inert and provide bulking or metabolically fermented in the large intestine as a prebiotic fiber). Bulking fibers absorb water as they move through thedigestive system, easing defecation.[1] Fermentable insoluble fibers mildly promote regularity, although not to the exent that bulking fibers do, but they can be readily fermented in the coloninto gases and physiologically active byproducts.
Dietary fibers can act by changing the nature of the contents of the gastrointestinal tract and by changing how other nutrients and chemicals are absorbed.[2] Some types of soluble fiber absorb water to become a gelatinous, viscous substance and is fermented by bacteria in the digestive tract. Some types of insoluble fiber have bulking action and is not fermented.[3] Lignin, a major dietary insoluble fiber source, may alter the rate and metabolism of soluble fibers.[1] Other types of insoluble fiber, notably resistant starch, are fully fermented.[4]

Carbohydrate
The primary function of carbohydrates is to provide energy for the body, especially the brain and the nervous system. An enzyme called amylase helps break down carbohydrates into glucose (blood sugar), which is used for energy by the body.

SENANG CERITA, BARU CERITA SIKIT NI…YANG LAIN2 MINERAL SAYA AKAN PROVIDE..
WHY SELLER BANYAK CLAIM BERIKUT :
-BAIK UNTUK KULIT, SEBAB ADA VITAMIN C DAN PROTEIN (PENGHASILAN SEL YANG BARU) DALAM SEAWEED
-BOLEH MEMPERBAIKI SEL RAWAN OTOT: DISEBABKAN SEAWEED MENGANDUNGI SUMBER PROTEIN UNTUK MEMPERBAIKI TISU
MEMPERBAIKI SISTEM USUS: DISEBABKAN EC MENGANDUNGI KANDUNGAN FIBER
-MEMBERI KEKUATAN ATAU TENAGA: SEBAB  MEMPUNYAI KANDUNGAN CARBOHYDRATE
-MELARASKAN BERAT BADAN- SEBAB FIBER BOLEH MEMBANTU RASA KENYANG

BUAT GOGO… I’ll find more evidence for you… I want to tell you that most of the nutrient of EC is really exist… COLAGGEN?? its ok if they don’t have, but you kne tau protein punya kelebihan… EC seaweed ada protein…. so???

then if you ask about EC kat cini tak sama macam EC kat tempat Negara lain tak boleh la…NAK TANYE... beza ke nutrisi ikan kembung sini dengan ikan kembung korea (contoh),  there is no significant difference as seaweed EC … can  reply hujah i sekarang??????



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Post time 20-10-2012 12:21 PM | Show all posts
FyeCmeya posted on 20-10-2012 12:17 PM
ANYWAY.. I find something!!! yang kata claim mak nenek bagai dia kata tak ada tu salah.. byk jugak k ...
  1. HY SELLER BANYAK CLAIM BERIKUT :
  2. -BAIK UNTUK KULIT, SEBAB ADA VITAMIN C DAN PROTEIN (PENGHASILAN SEL YANG BARU) DALAM SEAWEED
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so sebab ada protein ia collagen???



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Post time 20-10-2012 12:22 PM | Show all posts
FyeCmeya posted on 20-10-2012 12:17 PM
ANYWAY.. I find something!!! yang kata claim mak nenek bagai dia kata tak ada tu salah.. byk jugak k ...

di mana di situ kata ada collagen? bila masa protein = collagen? you tau tak semen (air mani lelaki) tu protein, tp can you claim it's collagen?
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:25 PM | Show all posts
go_go posted on 20-10-2012 12:21 PM
so sebab ada protein ia collagen???

GOGO.. YOU TAK TAHU KE SELAMA NI I TAK PERNAH SUPPORT ABOUT IT IS CONTENT COLLAGEN???
SOO... TANYA MEREKA YG PERNAH SUPPORT THIS CLAIM LA...
SOOO... HOW ABOUT OTHER NUTRIENT YANG YOU KATA CUMA SEAWEED EC TAK ADA KHASIATNYA... ADA KE TAK DE???? SEKALI LAGI.. ADE KE TAKDE?????
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:27 PM | Show all posts
FyeCmeya posted on 20-10-2012 12:25 PM
GOGO.. YOU TAK TAHU KE SELAMA NI I TAK PERNAH SUPPORT ABOUT IT IS CONTENT COLLAGEN???
SOO... TANY ...

you tau tak yg dia minta dari awal ialah bukti benda ni ada collagen, kononnya 100% pure marine collagen, so what are you trying to prove? you tak sell tp you backing seller, and you tuduh dia jual collagen pulak.
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:28 PM | Show all posts
Santeira posted on 20-10-2012 12:22 PM
di mana di situ kata ada collagen? bila masa protein = collagen? you tau tak semen (air mani lelak ...

NI lagi sorang... i tak pernah support about collagen kot... kenapa perlu hukum i???
n other nutrient that i provide from jurnal about EC howw?????

so if EC takde colagen, tak bermakna EC takde khasiat.
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:32 PM | Show all posts
FyeCmeya posted on 20-10-2012 12:17 PM
ANYWAY.. I find something!!! yang kata claim mak nenek bagai dia kata tak ada tu salah.. byk jugak k ...
  1. hen if you ask about EC kat cini tak sama macam EC kat tempat Negara lain tak boleh la…NAK TANYE... beza ke nutrisi ikan kembung sini dengan ikan kembung korea (contoh),  there is no significant difference as seaweed EC … can  reply hujah i sekarang??????
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itu accurate jika mewakili EC dari mana sample di ambil......


ok saya ulang kalau kita nak wat kajian sample kena mewakili populasi..ini dalam konteks kajian.....itulah yg accurate...now mahu fokus yg accurate ya

kalau mahu buat kajian kena spesifik...pernah org buat kajian "satu tinjauan: punca kesesakan jalan raya di kuala lumpur" tapi tengok kesesakan jalan raya di filipina..analisi .tak accurate... but kalau comparative study ok anatara malaysia dan filipina....

comparative study ada dua contoh ikan kembung malaysia dan korea jika nak kaji pun boleh jika ada research question.....

tapi yg penting sample kena mewakili populasi
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:32 PM | Show all posts
Santeira posted on 20-10-2012 12:27 PM
you tau tak yg dia minta dari awal ialah bukti benda ni ada collagen, kononnya 100% pure marine co ...

yekeee??? banyak benda yang di pertikaikan seolah2 seaweed takde function ape-ape...siap kata mak nenek takde plak tu

pada i, i tak setuju dari segi claim collagen.. that why i tak support.. then why need i prove about it????

i assume je... i tak kata dia seorang seller collagen... katanya assume tak perlu bukti...
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:36 PM | Show all posts
go_go posted on 20-10-2012 12:32 PM
itu accurate jika mewakili EC dari mana sample di ambil......

hahhaa up to you la..

i dah buat yang terbaik... dah prove bukti sume... anyway if u think penipu la claim pasal seaweed ni... boleh menyebabkan sakit/mati... sila la pergi KPDNKK yekk...silakannnn




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Post time 20-10-2012 12:40 PM | Show all posts
FyeCmeya posted on 20-10-2012 12:17 PM
ANYWAY.. I find something!!! yang kata claim mak nenek bagai dia kata tak ada tu salah.. byk jugak k ...
  1. then if you ask about EC kat cini tak sama macam EC kat tempat Negara lain tak boleh la…NAK TANYE... beza ke nutrisi ik
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orang akademik never never cakap...ooii aku punya reseach tak leh tanya....woowww i am sure u educated...even masa buat presantationnnnnnnnnn masa kat U pun ada sesi soal jawab.......mempertikaikan teori, metodologi, etc etc etc......kaedah analisis......data kualitatif/kuantitatif bagai.......wooowww banyak2 pening buat phd ke...master ka......

apa maksud research...ia adalah satu usaha yg berterusan...mahu lebih valid methodologi yg sama boleh digunakan oleh pengkaji lain..lihat jawapan sama tak....pengkaji lain pun argue pung pan pung pang........ini dunia akademik unless ko ambil  source cikai so fahamlah perangai pun mcm cikai awal2 dah bagi warning hahhahahaha.......
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:41 PM | Show all posts
why i not see you all really take care about hak pengguna??? kenapa?? just about collagen yang dipertahankan.. yang lain??? hampeh laaa...penat je i dapatkan nutrient of EC tau... dah la nk tido la kalau citer pasal colagen lagi...
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:43 PM | Show all posts
FyeCmeya posted on 20-10-2012 12:36 PM
hahhaa up to you la..

i dah buat yang terbaik... dah prove bukti sume... anyway if u think peni ...
  1. hahhaa up to you la..

  2. i dah buat yang terbaik... dah prove bukti sume... anyway if u think penipu la claim pasal seaweed ni... boleh menyebabkan sakit/mati... sila la pergi KPDNKK yekk...silakannnn
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kenapa mahu pergi sana...kamu bentangkan disini...so kena tanya sinilah........unless ko buat pembentangan di KPDNKK
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Post time 20-10-2012 12:46 PM | Show all posts
FyeCmeya posted on 20-10-2012 12:25 PM
GOGO.. YOU TAK TAHU KE SELAMA NI I TAK PERNAH SUPPORT ABOUT IT IS CONTENT COLLAGEN???
SOO... TANY ...

betul ke...tak nak angkat sumpah mcm abang epol

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Post time 20-10-2012 12:49 PM | Show all posts
FyeCmeya posted on 20-10-2012 12:28 PM
NI lagi sorang... i tak pernah support about collagen kot... kenapa perlu hukum i???
n other nutr ...

i never said ia takda khasiat, but the research you put is based on 100g sample basah, dan nutriennya adalah 1mg saja untuk 100g basah. so berapa kilo seaweed jelly you kena makan untuk dapat let's say berbanding you makan 1000mg suppelemt vitamin C sehari? lebih kurang kalau you makan ikan hari2 jugak, ikan pun ada protein, so apa yg buat bagus gila, sampai setanding makan supplement collagen tu?
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