Current Hotspot : Afghanistan

Obersliutenant

Originally posted by Debmey at 26-9-2006 03:12 PM
How many US and coalition troops are dead compared to the Taliban killed? You kill a handful of American and Brist and you think you win? so childish its simply amazing.

why do you think Taliban ...

learn from history Debby... Noone has ever counquered Afghanistan...

Obersliutenant

Originally posted by Debmey at 26-9-2006 04:21 PM
respected by who? The problem with you is that you worship the white man too much.

OMG~ Bush Isnt White ! HES BLACK!

ef/x

GARMSER, Afghanistan (Reuters) - British Marines attacked a Taliban-held valley in southern Afghanistan on Tuesday but withdrew after a ferocious counterattack that withstood air strikes and artillery fire, witnesses said. One Royal Marine was killed and a second wounded during the battle, the UK Helmand Task Force (UKTF) said. Scores of soldiers ran across a bridge over the Helmand River under a full moon shortly before daybreak and began sweeping south through wheatfields in the south of the province, the opium center of the world's major producer. A Reuters cameraman said the Marines initially faced only sporadic resistance but when they advanced, Taliban fighters launched a ferocious, organized riposte with heavy weapons and tried to outflank the British troops.

The fierce resistance illustrated the challenges facing the NATO troops in Afghanistan where they are trying to subdue well-armed Taliban and other militants bolstered by profits from a record opium crop, according to Afghan and foreign officials. Major Andy Plewes, who led the Royal Marines of Zulu Company 45 Commando, on the assault, said the soldiers had expected resistance: "What we didn't know was how strong it was. We don't currently have enough forces in the area to hold ground completely and that has to be done by Afghan security forces," he told a Reuters reporter with the Marines. The 32,000-strong force NATO-led International Security Assistance Force took over command of the war against the Taliban from U.S.-led forces in October and has launched a string of offensives.

British casualties have been mounting since ISAF took over command of operations in southern Afghanistan at the end of July. Britain has lost 41 soldiers since the Taliban government was toppled in 2001, the bulk of them this year. The British forces, who make up the bulk of NATO forces in Helmand, opened fire from light armored vehicles and engaged small groups of guerrillas with mortars and machine guns. Afghan police and soldiers have so far held just the bridgehead and the short road at the north end of the valley, criss-crossed by networks of ancient canals that make Helmand fertile enough to produce a third of the world's opium crop.

The Taliban withstood barrages of air strikes from Apache helicopters, 500 pound bombs dropped by B1 bombers and withering cannon fire from A-10 attack jets before the British finally withdrew after a 10-hour battle. The Taliban fighters, who say they have the expertise to defeat the strongest army, had dug sophisticated networks of trenches often leading from compound to compound. This year has seen the worst fighting since U.S.-led forces ousted the Taliban's strict Islamist government in 2001. About 4,000 people have died, a quarter of them civilians. The alliance troops were deployed to aid reconstruction and to help Afghanistan's government by build stability. But they have been increasingly drawn into battles with the Taliban and other militants in the opium poppy-growing south. Tuesday's assault was the latest in a series of battles by British forces around the bridgehead.

Major Plewes said he considered the assault a success as they had cleared out areas near the "D.C.," a tiny strip of road and ruined buildings on the eastern side of the Helmand River. But without more Afghan troops to hold the ground there was little hope of doing much more. "In the mean time we have to try to provide as much as security to the D.C. as possible," said Plewes.

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[ Last edited by  yipun78 at 8-12-2006 05:36 PM ]

Debmey

The answer is simple. Once the terrorists are located, its only a matter of time before they are routed once again, just as they were routed 4 years ago.

BeachBoys

Originally posted by Debmey at 8-12-2006 05:05 PM
The answer is simple. Once the terrorists are located, its only a matter of time before they are routed once again, just as they were routed 4 years ago.

:hmm::hmm:

Robotech

The answer is simple. Once the terrorists are located, its only a matter of time before they are routed once again, just as they were routed 4 years ago.

That is the most asinine remarks I've ever heard!

Allied forces have not being able to contain the Taliban insurgencies, coupled with several rogue Afghan warlords. Armed with IEDs (Improvised Explosive Devices), AK-47, RPGs, crude mines & sporadic suicide bombers, the insurgents have being able to demoralise the Allied Forces psyche. Despite armed with state of the art weaponries such as IFVs, tanks, advanced fighters & bombers, & perhaps arguably the best trained troops in the world, Allied Forces has time & time again shows their failure to remove Taliban off the Afghanistan map.

The recent crisis in South Afghanistan is one such proof amongst others. Only Kabul can safely be desinated as safe areas while outside the capital, the anarchy reigns.

Debmey

Thats where you show misunderstanding of the conflict.
The only reason why taliban can be supplied and re-organise is ebcause they are sheltered in Pakistan.
Had teh allied been allowed to hit the taliban inside pakistan, these etrrorists won't stand  achance.
In the meantime, the taliban are dying like flies for no purpose.

IceMallet

Dubuk, u dun know the first thing about fighting dug-in insurgents who knows the surrounding areas..if u r so smart, offer urself to ISAF la as their military expert

alphawolf

He does have a point there. As long as the insurgents (in whatever conflict) can be supplied, the fighting can still continue. Well having said that, I wonder why didn't the ISAF close the border with Pakistan?

IceMallet

I dun think its easy to close the border la...or else, dah lama border tu ditutup. Komen aku, cuma dia tak tau taktik2 insurgensi..insurgents ni bukan yer based satu tempat jer..even Malaysia amik masa brapa tahun untuk kalahkan PKM...ini lak Taleban tu dah experienced dalam guerilla warfare..

Debmey

Its a porous border that anyone can simply walk across. How to close?

In the meantime, what the Taliban does is simply propaganda. They are desperate to show their presence or lose credibility, thats why they are sending thousands of young pakis to their death against the afghan army and their allies.

IceMallet

Hoho..just like NATO sending lots of young men and women to their deaths for the sake of propaganda too..

Debmey

very few nato troops die mister.
and they didn't die for propaganda, they died killing taliban terrorists who kill civilians.

alphawolf

Betul la...aku cuma iyakan part supply tu aje...yang lainnya dia tak clear!

IceMallet

Dia memang mangkuk pun...cakap macam mana pun bukan mau dengo pun

Robotech

Originally posted by Debmey at 9-12-2006 10:24 PM
Thats where you show misunderstanding of the conflict.
The only reason why taliban can be supplied and re-organise is ebcause they are sheltered in Pakistan.
Had teh allied been allowed to hit the taliban inside pakistan, these etrrorists won't stand  achance.
In the meantime, the taliban are dying like flies for no purpose.

No, they're not. The Talibans are deeply entenched in Afghan mountainous regions, supported by local militias & southern Pashtun populaces & tribal autonomous region near Pakistan.

Say all you want, in Viet-US War, scores of VC & NVA died compared to US troops, but US were humiliating driven ot of Vietnam!

In Korean Conflict, literally millions Chinese & North Koreans died putting American & South Koreans at stalemate, which is considered by many a war won by the Chinese.

In WWII, literally tens of millions Red Russian troops diedf agains measly numbers of Germany's Hitler Nazi forces, yet the Red Commie was declared the victor.

Just because a high number of Taliban insurgents may go up in smoke, the insurgency are more deadly than ever!

Robotech

Originally posted by Debmey at 11-12-2006 12:55 PM
Its a porous border that anyone can simply walk across. How to close?

In the meantime, what the Taliban does is simply propaganda. They are desperate to show their presence or lose credibility, thats why they are sending thousands of young pakis to their death against the afghan army and their allies.  

Which show the incompetency of Allied military leaders, aren't they?

They cannot even stop the tide of both weapons & fresh recruits for Taliban insurgency!

The same can be said of both NVA & Vietcong .. yet they won the war ... where's South Vietnam ... oh yes, it was CONQUERED & INVADED & ABSORBED by current communist Vietnam ...

As long the Allied forces still around Afghanistan, the taliban will be there ... there ain't stopping 'em!

Robotech

Originally posted by Debmey at 11-12-2006 02:29 PM
very few nato troops die mister.
and they didn't die for propaganda, they died killing taliban terrorists who kill civilians.

Hell, NATO troops too killed innocent civillians, fighter jets pounding wedding ceremonies, killed hundreds ... & the Allied claimed it were mistake & acceptable as collateral damages.

Talibans don't give a fart mate. They will continue to pound every Allied interests in Afghanistan & their Afghan co-hosts. Much as Allied viewed dead Afghan innocents as collateral damages, the Taliban currently applying the same thinking too.

Darn, don't be naive kid. War ain't pretty, war ain't fair!

Debmey

civilians were never targeted by westerners. i doubt those were wedding parties at all. Its only a bunch of terrorist lies.

talibans got their behinds kicked by the allieds with the true afghans and you can bet tehy will never be able to rule afghanistan again.

alphawolf

Ass kicked ass kicked...kalau ass dah kena kick camne depa boleh lawan balik, all those bombings and ambushes?